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surya and shubam
thanks for the useful replies.
sandeep- of course I know one has to use clutch while changing gears.My query was only regarding placement of foot when not using the clutch.
Hi Suresh, place your foot adjacent to the clutch NOT rest on the clutch pedal.And when Shubham said "try to use clutch as less as possible",doesn't mean you change gears without pressing the clutchhe means the same what surya and i said. @shubham: i exactly understood your point but please explain to him (Suresh)more specifically else he may take it in literal sense.
Shubham, please be a bit patient - you have passed that stage where these questions bothered you, but others are still going through it. Some consideration needed!
Suresh: Foot can be placed flat on the floor of the car and pressed into action only when needed. This may sound drastic at first, but slowly, and consciously, this practice can be adopted.
For those who are beyond redemption in the department of re-education, there are foot-rests available to move your foot from the clutch to the footrest (on the left, and next to the clutch pedal), so that it is not on the clutch, but can be put there as soon as needed.
Hii Suresh,jokes apart,no oofense meant.its just that you don't cultivate the habit of using clutch to rest your foot at the learning stage itself.as they say "old habits die hard"but on a serious note the simple step to follow is maintain the right speed on the right gear.i will explain this with a simple illustration below:
1st gear - 10 kph
2nd gear - 20 kph
3rd gear - 30 kph
4th gear - 40 kph
Above 40 kph speeds shift to 5th gear(not easy to follow this step in city traffic so little bit of margin in error is no issue).maintain a light pressure on accelerator.As many auto experts have said rightly,just imagine there is an egg between your feet and the accelerator pedal and you need to be careful not to crack the egg by pressing too hard.You will be able to follow the prescribed speed by constant practice with atleast 95% precision.Take 30 days and post your experience and share it with all.Of course shubham car is not a Honda activa.
cheers and regards
Agree with sandeep, "old habits die hard", yeah this is true for me, whatever i try to do to avoid (lot)using the clutch, it is more on me than ever, yday, i consciously wanted to use only the accel and the break, but suddenly there's a change in traffic or some or other obstruction, so automatically my leg presses the clutch first and then the break.
but i am confident that as more miles i drive, will change the habit and get into the next intermediate level of driving.
While driving I change to next higher gear at a speed which is slightly slower than specified speed (as compare with car's manual),so that I release the car clutch very slowly ,
Does this harm my car ?
All expert drivers. I also want to know about the same. I am also a new driver.
You can change. But see that when you have changed to higher gear, engine is not stalled and RPM are not lesser than 1250 RPM.
Well upto a certain extent you can switch to higher gear at less-than-recommended speed...but its hard to give exact figures. Its something (I'd say) unique to the car and its driver...sort of based on experience and feel of the car. As an example, usually where upshifting to 5th is recommended at 50 kmph, you can do so at 40 kmph provided the car is on level road or going downslope.
In bumper to bumper traffic it is very difficult to even touch 4th gear, can't think of moving to 5th gear.
From my home to office it is 4kms and everytime i drive, i am able to move upto 4th gear only for a very short time, may be less than 5 mins, constantly i have to drive in 3rd and 2nd and also 1st.
So, when i change gear from 1st to 2nd, always i need to raise the speed and move to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd again raise and move . if not, there is a kind of jerk and kind of stalling happens
The average speed during this destination is only 20KPH and mostly in 2nd or 3rd
Guys, there's another thread which was running earlier, related to the same query as here, i have provided the link here for the needy
Recently I am driving on slopes and plain roads by putting gear in neutral. Offcourse I do this below speed of 70 kmph. On slopes, I put the gear in neutral when speed is above 60 and let car go as much when speed comes down to 50 and then shift gear in 5th gear. But I do this only if I am able to drive in neutral for minimum 1 minute or 1 km.
I do this on open roads where I can see the sideways and on coming traffic clearly. Is it safe ?
Plz tell me, when stoping a car, I use first clutch than break. Is it right?
2ndly, I driving in 4th gear in plain road & stop giving acc , the car start deacc. & speed decreased to 30 or less. Should I shift gear or let it move as it is not in recommended gear. I generally shift the gear. Plz tell what is right.
Also, on round abouts, I use clutch & break, car immediately deacc to 20 khp, so in half of round about I have to shift gear, ortherwise I fear that car may not stop in medial of round about.
please instruct right way.
Its not right .
When stopping the car , first apply breaks and then cluth .
1. Press clutch only when you have to change the gear.
2. Have an eye on the RPM , if its beyound 1750 change the gear ( to the next possible gear )
3. If the RPM is less than 1000 , change the gear to the one below
You should go to a near by ground when people are not there , try doing what i said above , you turn , drive , slow , fast and trying doing all this , however first apply break then when you have to change the gear press on the clutch . Practise this many a times you will be happy to know that you can cruze with out cluth being used many a times and also before applying breaks .Rome was not built in day
I compare car driving to making love , its has to be , smooth , enjoyable and fun
All the best lad
Hi, I have learnt car few months ago but purchased new wagonR 2 months back so there was a gap between learning and actual driving of my own car. Following are the problems I am facing.
1) unable to start smooth from a stationary position in traffic. I see I start slow(releasing clutch) then push break once and then clutch to shift second but this way makes me accelerate slow on second gear also. Thus car behind me moves ahead of me.
2) when someone come across the way or I need to slow a bit I manage to shift to second gear with no issues but then I tend to not down the gear to first with hope next car will move and most of the time I try to accelerate on second and this makes to give me more accelerator as I with fear release cluth very slowly. Is it necessary to shift down to 1st gear when vehicle is moving 0-10 kmph?
3) In the first month I always used to shift down to second gear while rolling over speed-breaker. But then I found people use third gear also so I practise on some speed breaker with less height where its possible to break before speed breaker then after I moved over speed breaker accelerate. This works some time but some times when I start to accelerate I get engine to sound 2/3 times "dhak dhak" and then acceleration matches required speed for that gear.
4) When I drive with A/C on I find I need more power to drive. If in a situation where I was driving at a speed of 50 kph and I need to break once and start accelerating again where speed downs to 40 kph I find some resistance to accelerate and if I off the A/C car moves fast. Any advice on how to drive with A/C on? or I should drive one gear less for given specified speed limits for any gear?
Same was the case with me. I went to open ground & follow the instruction given by trainer one by one. Smooth starting need some practise. Secondly, new cars clutch is somebut hard, if not used properly may get car stop immediately.Release half of clutch & hold for 10sec as you see that cars sound is changed, then slowly -2 release it, if need apply light acc. I also face same problem in starting, but now comfertable & clutch is also smooth now.
Some of the posts in this thread may be old, but I feel that many are not following the proper procedures while driving.
I fully agree with what Sridhar and Mathew said earlier.
Let me put my comments.
1. To save a little fuel here and there, do not compromise on control and hence safety. An accident can sometimes cost you more than all the fuel savings you make during your lifetime,
2. Never drive the car in neutral (especially downhill). Always use the same gear as climbing up, for climbing down the same slope. This gives the best control.
3. Do not touch the clutch unnecessarily. Remember, whenever clutch is pressed, you have the minimum control over the car. Use clutch only while changing gear or when the car is about to stop (to avoid stalling of engine).
4. The right procedure for stopping a car is not pressing the clutch first. Press the brake first. If the car is going at very high speed, and if you have enough time to stop, you can gear down first and then start applying brakes if you want to reduce the strain on the brake shoes. Only when you change the gear (for gearing down), you should use clutch. Remove the foot from the clutch immediately after changing the gear.
And finally after braking (and changing gear if required), when the car is about to stop, press the clutch to avoid stalling of engine.
This is great thread. We can learn good driving skills.... Thanks all.
Its really unfortunate that my driving instructor didn't teach me well and he only ensured to complete the driving hours as early as possible. He just teach me half cluch to start from stopped position once and didn't gave me enough practice. When I tried to drive my new wagonr actually I drove on empty roads but didn't understood the smooth start importance. I have a problem in smooth start in traffic and taking right or left turn on empty roads or roads with fast traffic where if I sometimes unable to manage to gear down to 3 from 5 (can manage to shift to 4 only) when driving on 60km/hr so the resulting turn is unsafe. Should I do driving class again or I can learn myself? Can someone please tell me step by step for1) start smooth from stopped position 2) right or left turn at high speed (if other people can do that)
Only the practice will help you achieve smooth start & good driving skills. Dont go for driving school again, they are worthless. They have clutch & breaks control in their side too & thats the why people are not able to drive on their own after leaving their school.
Ans 1) Take your car to an empty ground somewhere & then start practicing. When starting from standstill first press the accelator a bit & keep your feet on it. Then start releasing clutch slowly & uniformly. Dont release the clutch in steps or bursts. It should be done uniformly. If at any time car starts stalling badly press the clutch immediately & shift to neutral. Try this again. If you manage to move then dont get happy & start driving. Stop the car & do this again immediately. Do this again & again for some days & you will get hang of the balance between clutch & race. After some time you wont have to press accelator first while moving from standstill. It was just to get you to understand the balance between the two.
Ans2) Why do you want to turn at high speeds. Dont do it atleast for now. Once you get a bit of experience & confidence over yourself you'll be able to do this on your own.
"taking right or left turn on empty roads or roads with fast traffic where if I sometimes unable to manage to gear down to 3 from 5 (can manage to shift to 4 only) when driving on 60km/hr so the resulting turn is unsafe. "
Gears slot according to the speed you are in. If you slot 3rd at 60kmph then the revs will be on high side. First reduce the speed to 30-40kmph & then slot 3rd.
1. On flat surface(where car will be stationary when brakes are not applied):
2. Upward slope or incline(Where car tends to roll back when brake is released):
There are different methods of tackling this situation. It is better you get used to this by practicing in a lonely place. One is by using the handbrake, described below:-
Another way is by precise control of the clutch. As told before, there will be a certain position in the clutch where it will tend to hold the car on an incline. Get the clutch at this point and make a quick job of letting go of the brake and pressing accl lightly. This will solve the problem without much difficulty. The more you practice, the quicker and easier you can launch the car. To know the perfect point for the clutch to hokd the car,
On upward inclines, you need to accelarate higher in each gear. If you shift to second or third early, the car will not have enough momentum and it will stall. So, keep in low gears only and accelarate before shifting up. Also, you need to know the balancing point of the clutch and once you get used to it, you can do it easily.
3. Downward slopes:
I think this is quitre easy/obvious. But if its a continuous slope, do not put the car in neutral or press the clutch. The car must go down in gear, which will reduce pressure on the brakes and prevent brake failure, especially in steep slopes and ghat sections.
I did not get what you meant by right or left at high speeds. If you want to confidently take turns, you need some time to learn the steering balance of the car. Also, it is safer if you take turns slowly. Sometimes, obstacles at the other side may not been seen by us and maintaining a slow speed will help avoid any problems. Speed at each turn will depend upon the kind of road and the sharpness of the turn. If it is an urban road with traffic, you better maintain a slow speed during turns. Do not bother about the honks from behind.
EDIT: @Ak I didn see your post as was typing it from a long time. Pls. do not mind the same.
Sir, Mr arnv gave very good suggestions, I want to add a little bit.
Same is the condition with me when I learn driving. but I have only starting problem, car stops. I got parking problem & car get dented with one car while parking. One thing I found that new car have some bit hard clutch & car stops by an expert driver also.Now after 7000, clutch is so smooth that I donot feel that where to hold clutch or anything, no holding required.
While starting as clutch is reach in midway, stop & hold clutch for 10sec, u will see that car engine sound changed & some what vibration in car, now slowly & slightly release clutch, car start moving as it moves further relaese clutch with slightly depressing accelator, if plan place no acc. required.
While stopping, depress 1st breaks, as u feel that car is bit going to stop, depress clutch fully.
While turning, keep car movement slow, Since car height is more it can be thrown out due to moment of Interia. while turning as u are not expert in gear shifting, u deacc. the speed & shift gear before u turn, it will be comfortable & tension free, car will not stop inbetween & can be move slowly.
@sankalp-ohh common..!! We learn from each & every post here.
@Rajiv- Thanks & please arnv or AK will sufice. Mr seems too formal.
Mr. sanshrinand also explained the details in good way.
I have been travelling to my home town In Himachal Pardesh & to move in hills with small & curved roads. Generally, I felt that clutch & acc. combination is very important too drive up hill. 2ndly, ur little mistake can make things wrong. Loaded car if stops on such road that is not smooth & inclind curve, vehicals in front & back touching ur bonnets, ur small back make wrong, at that case this practice to manage clutch & acc is very important.
Release clutch very very gradually. At a point, you will hear a change in the engine sound. hold the clutch at this point only, do not release it any more. Change from brake to accelarator quickly. give slight acc as car is on incline place, Once the car starts moving forward, you can leave clutch fully.
While downward slope , move car in 3rd gear, if u can manage speed of car in turns or u may shift to 2 nd also.
Thanks Sankalp for your brief answer. Also, thanks to others. I will try to practice myself then. If needed any help will comeup with further questions.
I have started practising but I think I first need help to understand/decide the correct seating position. I suspect that incorrect seating position can also be the problem for unable to have smooth gear change. I generally seat in a position that follows 110-120 degree angle. I see I got used to release half to more than half cluth (hold for a sec) after gear change and same time start to give acceleration which results in giving small jerk in almost all the gear changes. I use WagonR LXi which don't show rpms.
Is there any thread here or any good visual document for keeping legs on pedals? I got habitual with using only toe (only fingers of the leg) to push pedals. is it correct?
Sankalp has said about working with clutch and this works in general.
change to higher gears after speeds of 10, 20, 30, 40 on a level road. on an incline do it at slightly higher speeds. ur car should have gained enough momentum at these speeds.
u dont need to hold the clutch in higher gears. just make sure that there is enough momentum to shift higher.
as long as u are comfortable with ur foot and the pedals, it doesnt bother much.