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#1 25-Jul, 2009 05:35 PM
Abhishek
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i have i 10 era and i have hid on my headlights..now am lookin to fit the hid in my fog lamps...will the i10 fog lamps be good enough to take the heat from the hid..cos one of my friendsgot it done from outside..he got lumex foglamps for i10..but they melted within a  week..would factory fitted foglamps be good enough to resist the heat...



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#2 30-Jul, 2009 06:36 AM
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Actual HID's run at 35W and are much cooler!

Are you sure that your froiend got HID's installed or were they increased wattage halogen bulbs?



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#3 23-Oct, 2009 06:52 PM
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HID lights are lighter and run amazingly cooler than regular lights,  check http://indiatechnews.com/gyan/autos/cars/hid-xenon-lights/ for more details on the Xenon lights....  Just make sure you  buy a branded kit though with a projector type lens so that the light stays low and focussed. They do not generate heat!



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#4 18-Nov, 2009 07:26 AM
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Hello All,

 Thanks to the article link given by Rathish, i have now started looking ofr B-Xenons. 

The earlier versions of Xenon lights could not be used for flashing while overtaking. HID lights they take time to get to full brightness. To eliminate this problem the newer bulbs come with integrated Halogens in the same HID bulbs. These can be flashed while overtaking. Hence the Name Bi-Xenons.

Can you please let me know if anyone has actually installed such lights in an i10?

Ash



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#5 18-Nov, 2009 07:20 PM
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Actual Bi-Xenon bulbs use beam defection-where a lens or shield element is moved in front of the beam to produce a flash effect.

There are no halogen filaments inside the xenon bulb but there are separate lamps which house the halogen bulb for flash function. This is the setup used in the four lamp arrangement in most European cars like the BMW series.

They have two lamps housing Bi-xenon(using beam defection) and another two lamps running normal halogen bulbs.

Xenon is not the end all of revised lighting systems, the light should be focussed properly to give good illumination and there in comes the projector beam setup.

Know many a friend who have gone back to halogen from plane xenon(without projector) due to poor visibility in rain!



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#6 18-Nov, 2009 07:27 PM
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Posted by Binoy Thomas

Know many a friend who have gone back to halogen from plane xenon(without projector) due to poor visibility in rain!

Its not just about using projectors - you can use a 3200k HID kit and still get decent visibility in rain without projectors.

I dont know the technical stuff behind this, but practical experience shows that a 6000k is useless in the rain, you might as well be blind!  3200 in the same headlamp socket gives you visibility, and this is not because of the focus or throw alone but its also got to do with the colour of the light and the dispersion.

HERE IS SOME INFO FROM USM.EDU:

What is meant by color temperature?
The Kelvin (K) is the unit of color temperature. 4100K is the brightest, most natural white light similar to that of daytime sunlight, and therefore the HID color temperature used most in the OEM automotive industry. When you look at the light coming directly out of an HID headlight, it possesses a bit of a blue or purple hue which most people recognize as the expensive, elegant look characteristic of HID's. For this reason, some HID kit manufacturers produce 5400K, 6500K, 8000K, etc. bulbs that give an even more distinct blue hue but at the expense of overall light output. For comparison, most halogen headlights have a color temperature around 3200K which gives them a "dingy" yellowish appearance compared to HID's.

Blue light is more fatiguing to the eyes, both to oncoming traffic and to the driver. Oncoming cars will see your lights for only a brief time, but as the driver, you must deal with it for the duration of your drive. The bluer the tint cast on the road and surrounding area, the more quickly your eyes become tired. It's a personal choice and I recognize and respect that some install HID's mostly for the look. However, very blue headlights might get you the wrong kind of attention from law enforcement. Personally, I'd like to benefit from my investment in the way of increased visibility and safety. Be aware that most of the 6500K and higher bulbs are produced by inferior manufacturers to capitalize on the maketability of "the bigger number must be better". Their 8000K bulbs may not measure 8000K. Don't be fooled.

Some common examples:

1200 K: a candle
2800 K: tungsten lamp (ordinary household bulb), sunrise and sunset
3000 K: studio lamps, photofloods,
5000 K: electronic flash, average daylight. A designation of D50 stands for "Daylight 5000K" and is the most common standard for professional light booths for photography, graphic arts, and other purposes.
6000 K: bright midday sun
7000 K: lightly overcast sky
8000 K: hazy sky
10,000 K: heavily overcast sky

SO WHATS THIS 'K' THING?

Color Temperature is a measurement in Degrees Kelvin (k) that indicates the hue of a specific type of light source. Many people believe the misconception that color temperature is a rating of the brightness of the bulb or HID kit. This belief is completely false. The reality of the matter is that the higher the color temperature, the less useable light output you will obtain. A perfect example would be a black light. This light has a color temperature of approx 12,000k and has almost no useable light or lumens output. Higher K kits such as 7000k, 7500k, etc. have been manufactured for individuals that are more concerned about the actual color output of their lights as opposed to the actual useable light output they produce.




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#7 18-Nov, 2009 08:47 PM
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Hi Steeroid,

Great information...

I spoke to a dealer and this is what I found out: 

Highway Driving: Go for 4300 K (OEM yellow light) 35W is good and 55 W will give 20% more light. 
For more City Driving: Go for 6000K (White Light) also has 35W and 55W. 
35W- 10,000 with fitting in Mumbai and 1 Yr warranty (Delhi price is 8,500) 
55W 13,500 with fitting in Mumbai and 1 Yr warranty 

I am keen for a 4300K as I prefer the yellow tinge light and need the longer throw that this has over the 6000K. But I need 55W lights..

Anyone has purchased these??


Ash



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#8 04-Feb, 2010 08:36 PM
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i am also looking for hid's ,are the phillips one any good?




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#9 10-Feb, 2010 05:44 PM
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Hi,

Frankly speaking HID kit is not at all a good option. HID is usually meant for off roading.Further all these HID's available in India are coming without Lamp. We normally use them in other lamps, replacing them with normal halogen bulbs. This results in poor beam and drivers often complain about this.

I suggest you to for Hella Xenon ki, which comes with complete lamp and ballast system. This is a real XENON.

And xenon in fog lamp is complete NO.



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#10 10-Feb, 2010 05:52 PM
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Emil-the Philips bulbs are quite good, Bosch are still better. Its just not the lamp quality that matters but that of the ballast also.

@passiondrive-HID's are meant for regular use and not for off roading only.Using lenses in front of the beams will give much better focus and visibility-this is what is lacking in after market retro-fitments of the same in India.



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