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#1 22-Jun, 2009 03:10 PM
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Found this article on cartradeindia. Found it to be very informative and thought of sharing it. I dont know if there is another thread which has the same/similar content. MODS - please merge this thread with that one if it does.

India is one of the biggest markets for diesel cars. Most of the people prefer diesel engines over petrol ones in this country. Why so? The debate between petrol and diesel engines is as old as the engines themselves. Basically, both engines have their own specialties and anyone opting for either of them is basing that on personal driving experiences. Similarly, CNG and LPG Engines also made their foray in the automobile industry mostly owing to their better fuel efficiency, cheaper running cost and eco-friendliness.

Getting to Know the Petrol and Diesel Engines - Technicalities

A petrol engine is one of the first engines to be used in automobiles. Fundamentally, not much has changed since its inception. Diesel engines were largely used for commercial vehicles like trucks, buses, locomotives, ships, etc. In petrol engines, there is pre-mixing of fuel and air, which eventually results in better efficiency that makes the car run at higher speed and is much quieter but the overall fuel efficiency remains quite low.

On the other hand, diesel engines use compression ignition to burn the fuel which is injected in the combustion chamber after the air is compressed. The calorific value of Diesel is more than Petrol and hence the energy output per unit volume of diesel is better than petrol. The construction of diesel engines is bit more complicated than that of petrol and hence it asks for higher initial investment. Comparatively petrol engine construction is simpler and cheaper than that of diesel, which we can also see reflected in the price of our diesel cars.

What does this technical jargon mean for the common man? Diesel cars are good for those who have long distance commuting on daily basis. Diesel engines give better fuel consumption and deliver better torque. This means diesel engines make everyday driving cheaper and an easy experience. Moreover, diesel cars have run far more miles than the petrol ones before they ask for any maintenance, i.e. running life of diesel engines is much better than petrol engines.

Finally, as a fuel, diesel is cheaper than petrol in India. Even in other countries, we see that the litre price of diesel is significantly cheaper than the petrol’s price.

Diesel cars in India are very popular in India as the Indian auto market is one of the most price sensitive markets. The combination of cheaper fuel, good mileage and long life, explains why diesel engine cars are the favourite choice of cabs and regular long distance driving people. As a consequence of the longer life of a diesel engine, the resale price for such cars is also better. In other words, diesel options always fetch you a better price.




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#2 22-Jun, 2009 03:11 PM
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From an environment perspective also, diesel is far better than petrol, as the emissions are less harmful!

We can easily say, that once the car has been bought, diesel is always better for the owner than petrol. However, since the purchase is more expensive, the savings after buying should be more than the extra price paid.

Hence, in order to get the full benefit of a diesel car, you should have run higher distances and not short city-hauls.

Where Do Diesel Engines Lack?

Despite the many good points, diesel models do have their own disadvantages and even after so many technical advancements in the automobile industry, these disadvantages still exist. The most common one is the noise. Diesel cars till date are very noisy and especially make a lot of noise when starting from cold. So if you start your diesel car in winter mornings, your neighborhood can clock their schedules with your office timings. (The reason is due to heavier parts in the engine and the different ignition technique.)

Petrol engine driven cars are certainly expensive but they deliver better driving experience with their smoother and quieter engines. Moreover petrol engine cars are cheaper and faster as well.

On Road– Petrol vs. Diesel Performance

Petrol and diesel engine performances have been talked and researched a lot. Earlier diesel engines offered poor performance compared to the petrol engines. Especially in acceleration, diesel engines were found lacking.

But since the advent of the turbo-chargers a lot of things have changed on the diesel side of the fence. “Direct Inject” and “common rail” engines have been the latest kids on the block. Direct inject engines have taken care of the noise problems to a large extent. They also give better mileage over the older indirect injection models. Common rail diesels use the latest technology of direct injection and are the most recent ones offering more fuel economy and better performance. However, not all auto manufacturers have developed and adapted this technology in their cars in India.

Petrol models give more horsepower which enables them to attain higher top speed and better figures of 0-60 kmph acceleration. The refined driving experience offered by the petrol engines still remains unparalleled. However, please note that the new age Turbo diesel engines, such as the Volkswagen engine, give excellent power and acceleration. For example, the Volkswagen Golf 2.0 TDI top of the range car (not available) in India, delivers whopping 167 BHP, 8 seconds acceleration to 100 km/h and a mileage of 1:20 on highways!

Lastly, the account servicing costs of diesel cars is definitely more any day, though the frequency will be less. However, with the latest technology these costs have been curbed by the manufacturers but it eventually depends which brand you are opting for.




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#3 22-Jun, 2009 03:11 PM
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Conclusion

It is clear that once the car is bought, the running costs of a diesel car will be far less than a petrol car. Possible less attractive performance is not that relevant in our busy Indian cities, where noise too is a daily issue to put up with.
Hence, the only serious disadvantage of the diesel car in India is the higher purchase price and hence the only factor to consider for Indians is the daily run rate.

We end with a calculation on how to choose between a diesel or petrol car.

Example of calculation for choosing between a Indica Petrol and diesel

Indica Vista petrol: 1172 cc, 65 BHP, torque 9.8Nm, mileage assumed at 15 kmpl, ex-showroom 4.0 lac

Indica vista diesel: 1248 cc, 74 BHP, torque 19.3Nm, mileage assumed at 15 kmpl, ex-showroom 5.0 lac

Considering the cost of diesel at Rs 35 per liter and Petrol at current rate of 46 Rs per Liter, the analysis of money that can be saved with diesel car can be calculated as below.

Suppose you drive 50,000 KM per year.

The cost of fuel per 50000 KM, i.e. 3333.33 liter of fuel for petrol at 15 KMPL, will be Rs 1,53,333. For that of diesel, it will be Rs 1,16,666. The saving for diesel car will hence be Rs 36,667.

In other words, with this usage, the extra cost of Rs 1,00,000 of diesel car would be earned back within about 3 years. As most people will keep the car for longer, in this usage it would make sense to go for the diesel car.

(In fact, the saving could go up as the general mileage of diesel car might be at around 19KMPL on an average which would amount to 92105 Rs with saving 61228 Rs.)




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#4 22-Jun, 2009 04:45 PM
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What is perhaps lesser known was that Rudolf Diesel created his Compression-Ignition engine (an engine that ignites without a spark) to run on vegetable oil.  The engine was originally known as the "Oil Engine" before it was named after its inventor.

If I'm not mistaken there was probably no fuel named diesel when he invented his Oil Engine.  The move from vegetable oil to the fuel known as diesel was necessitated by the fact that fossil fuels were then cheaper to refine than it was to produce sufficient quantities of vegetable oils.  Also, the first world war led to a shortage of food supplies and the favoured peanut oil was allegedly not available as peanuts were a source of rich nutrition.  I dont know how far this last part is true.

The diesel engine was supposedly invented to use 'waste' as its input - used vegetable oils, animal fat or even coal dust.




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#5 22-Jun, 2009 05:22 PM
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Nice article.

However, the author has missed MPFI engines.



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#6 23-Jun, 2009 11:20 AM
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Posted by Centaur

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From an environment perspective also, diesel is far better than petrol, as the emissions are less harmful!

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Can you kindly explain here a little bit about the carcinogenic (like Soot) and other particulate matters a diesel engine emits.  I was always under the impression that diesel, (eventhough it emits less Carbon Monoxide and Nitrogen Dioxide) is far bigger a threat than petrol to humans and environment because of the high amount of fine particulate matters in it.  These are respirable and are very difficult to be controlled.  Unlike in US and some western countries we have got no good screening system for controlling emissions from diesel powered vehicles.  The main reason why India is fond of diesel engines is because of its lesser cost.   All Delhities know that diesel buses here were the main cause of vehicle pollution and as per Supreme Court Orders all of them are banned from running on diesel and are now converted to CNG.  Environment is far better now as certified by reputed Doctors and environmentalist. 



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#7 23-Jun, 2009 06:19 PM
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Santhanam, that issue is already being discussed in another thread (started by you).

Centaur, thanks for sharing the article.




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#8 23-Jun, 2009 06:55 PM
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Santhanam, the above article (as i gather) is totally from the point of view of ownership cost and performance and not from emissions point of view. If we consider pollution then CNG/LPG will emerge out as clean winners but a person with a monthly run of say 500kms, is adviced not to go in for CNG/LPG owing to the fact that the ownership cost would be higher. I too agree that soot is carcinogenic and causes respiratory problems in humans. The article striclty was from a performance(in comparision to petrol) and ownership cost point of view.




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#9 06-Jul, 2009 05:51 PM
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I found the continuation to the earlier article and posting it here for everyones reference. Only difference is that the author has included CNG and LPG engines. Have a look:-

Today I am writing about fuel types in India. As I explained last week, diesel and petrol are fuel types where the main difference is defined by the cost of operating. In today's article I will have a look at petrol, diesel, LPG and CNG. Which is better for what? And which should I choose?

Though there are alternative fuels like bio-gas and ethanol, we are not dealing in detail as they are not used in practice due to non-availability in sufficient quantity.

I will write the article as follows: I will compare and score each of the fuel types for the following dimensions:

  • Investment
  • Running cost
  • Maintenance
  • Comfort
  • Performance
  • Environment
  • Availability

I will finalize with a conclusion.

Investment

Of the fuel types mentioned, we can easily state that petrol engine is the cheapest. This is because the petrol engine is the base engine and simplest one. CNG and LPG both require minor engine modifications. The diesel engine is technically more complex than the petrol engine and hence also more expensive.

For diesel engines, the design has to be adapted taking into account the nature of diesel, which requires higher compression ratio for compression ignition to take place. Hence a diesel engine may be anywhere around a lakh rupees more expensive than a petrol engine.

LPG and CNG are highly combustible, and hence the engine inherent technology does not need fundamental changes. For installing LPG or CNG kit, the initial investment requires app Rs 40,000 for CNG and Rs 20,000 for LPG. This would include the fitment of cylinder and modification of the engine and starting system accordingly.

Rank

Fuel Type

Expense vs Petrol

1

Petrol

0

2

LPG

20,000

3

CNG

40,000

4

Diesel

1,00,000




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#10 06-Jul, 2009 05:53 PM
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CONTINUED..........

Running cost

The running costs of different fuel types, is determined by the cost per liter/kg of the fuel, and the mileage of the same.

The cost of petrol ranges from around Rs 50 per liter, though it differs slightly in different regions of India. The cost of diesel is around Rs 38 per liter. The increased cost of petrol and diesel has led to a search for other alternatives, LPG and CNG. The cost of CNG per KG is around Rs 18 and that of LPG around Rs 25 per Kg.

Rank

Fuel Type

Cost

1

CNG

Rs 18 / KG

2

LPG

Rs 25 / KG

3

Diesel

Rs 38 / L

4

Petrol

Rs 50 / L

Now we have to consider the mileage of the car. Mileages vary a lot according to the specific model, engine, and driving behavior. So we will use general average figures here.

With petrol in any good car, the expected mileage is around 15 KMPL on an average and hence the cost per KM will be Rs 3.3 (Rs 50 divided by 15). With diesel, assuming an average mileage of 17 KMPL, the cost per KM will be Rs 2.3. With LPG costing around 25 Rs per KG and with a mileage of 300 KM per 14KG, the cost per KM will be Rs 1.15 (one KG takes you 300/14 KM).

For CNG, the mileage is similar to LPG and hence the cost per KM is

Rank

Fuel Type

Cost

Mileage (AVG)

Cost per KM

1

CNG

Rs 18 / KG

21 KM/KG

Rs 0.84

2

LPG

Rs 25 / KG

21 KM/KG

Rs 1.15

3

Diesel

Rs 38 / L

17 KMPL

Rs 2.3

4

Petrol

Rs 50 / L

15 KMPL

Rs 3.3




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