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#1 25-Mar, 2008 10:10 PM
Ankush Ahuja
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my dad took a test drive of the passat and we were almost going to book it.
But most of his friends suggested that if we are spending so much, we might as well go for the bmw 320d or the c-class.
The merc has impressed my dad to a great extent (I guess its the brand image).
So we are split again. My dad wants a merc or a bmw and i still suggest the passat as he going to have a chauffeur and the passat has a lot more equipment than the other two. There are instances of cost cutting in the merc with partial powered seats and absence of electricallly foldale mirrors.
also the space in the rear is more in the passat and the maintenance is less than the other two and talk about paying 33 lakhs for such cars; in that case aren't people justified in buying a passat for 28 lakhs on road with features not present in cars twice its price?. I have heard that it costs a bomb to maintain the three-pointed star.
what would u guys suggest?


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#2 01-Apr, 2008 06:57 PM
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does anyone wanna help me out?

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#3 02-Apr, 2008 10:09 AM
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I do not know much about these cars nor have I test-driven - I wish I could.  However, following are some comparisons:

 

  1. Passat (DSG Rs.24.60 lac & DSG S Rs.26.60 lac) has 1968 CC engine that delivers 141ps of power @ 4000rpm & 320nm of torque @1750rpm, and gives a mileage of 12/14 in city & 16/18 on highway.
  2. BMW has 1955 CC (320d Sedan Rs.29.40 lac) engine that delivers 163ps of power @ 4000rpm & 340nm of torque @2000rpm, and gives a mileage of 5/7 in city & 8/10 on highway.
  3. Mercedes Benz (220 CDi MT Rs.29.17 lac & 220 CDi AT Rs.30.77 lac) has 2148 CC engine that delivers 141ps of power @ 3800rpm & 340nm of torque @2300rpm, and gives a mileage of 11/13 in city & 15/17 on highway.

 

Though you may not be concerned much about mileage, I would suggest you rule out BMW, as it is not at all fuel efficient – as compared to the other two.

 

Between Passat & Benz, both are fuel efficient – Passat being a little more.  Passat is more comfortable & spacious because it has more length, width, height, legroom & boot than Benz, and is lighter too (kerb weight).  I feel overall performance & pick-up/acceleration of Passat should be better than Benz.  

 

From maintenance & service point of view too, I feel Passat (Volkswagen) will be a better choice (not sure).  All in all, amongst the three cars, Passat is definitely more VFM (value for money) car.




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#4 02-Apr, 2008 10:19 AM
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As suggested by Pankaj, Quitely rule out the BMW - mileage is just too low. Secondly, updated C-class of Merc, though looks great from outside with new Grill (shape wise) and updated looks (the current model as Merc says is targetted towards younger professionals and hence the car looks great from outside). Merc however has done a lot of cost cutting on this one - a very typical thing was semi-electronic seat adjustment - hieght is adjusted electrically, but retract is adjusted manually - kind of funny when you pay around 32 lakhs for a car. Also the OVRMs are not electrically operated - so, in terms of luxury as well, these cost cutting measures from Merc are quite showing and telling from inside - that said, a Merc is a Merc.

VW Passat has some extremely high-end features and there were no such cost cutting factors involved for the Indian customers - the same version with same features is getting launched in India as well.

While Passat is going to be the one for all creature comforts, Merc has that image conciousness about it.

Pankaj or me recommending a Passat has got nothing to do with our names - Prasad - It is just a mere coincidence )



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#5 02-Apr, 2008 10:37 AM
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Oh yes, nothing to do with that 'Prasad'. 

By the way, I sometimes get confused when I come across someone addressing you as Prasad because except on CarWale, I'm addressed as Prasad (seldom by Pankaj).  One such post said "Thanks Pankaj & Prasad" and I first read it as "Pankaj Prasad".

Anyway, cheers Prasad




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#6 02-Sep, 2008 06:20 PM
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Merc is a regular taxi which I had seen in Europe.For Indians Merc is status symbol.

when decision is between Merc , BMW, Audi  -  choice is 1) BMW 2) Audi

When the decision is between  VW , Audi -   India  VW launch has craze, - VW Diesel is really good.  Audi also equally good. it is upto ones taste of choice between two fantastic brands.

Merc is a waste of investment. It is like in 1970's people loved Impala that was a status symbol.

/neti

 

Posted by Ankush Ahuja
my dad took a test drive of the passat and we were almost going to book it.

But most of his friends suggested that if we are spending so much, we might as well go for the bmw 320d or the c-class.
The merc has impressed my dad to a great extent (I guess its the brand image).
So we are split again. My dad wants a merc or a bmw and i still suggest the passat as he going to have a chauffeur and the passat has a lot more equipment than the other two. There are instances of cost cutting in the merc with partial powered seats and absence of electricallly foldale mirrors.
also the space in the rear is more in the passat and the maintenance is less than the other two and talk about paying 33 lakhs for such cars; in that case aren't people justified in buying a passat for 28 lakhs on road with features not present in cars twice its price?. I have heard that it costs a bomb to maintain the three-pointed star.
what would u guys suggest?


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#7 02-Sep, 2008 06:22 PM
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Jus go for VW Passat / Audi / VW Jetta not certainly Merc.

/Neti

 



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#8 02-Sep, 2008 06:58 PM
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hi!

i dont have  much idea of cars  but   from whatevr i came to know through help of my friends while planning to   get a bmw 5 series  for my husband we discussed of quite a lot of cars so i hope this might help u

the passat is not a good car  sorry dont know reasons  

i dont know much about the bmw 320d

we have mercC220  been more then 3 years  done 40,000kms    and its doing good   though i dont like to drive it much i like my city vtec then the merc  anyway my husband  likes to drive  it very much and has not expressed any dissatisfaction of any kind on it  anytime   and we are very happy with having it

anyway i am adding a review that my husband has written on it

BHP : 141 bhp @ 3800 rpm
Torque : A thumping 340 nm
Transmission : 6 Speed Manual
Tyres : 225/50/16 Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3's
Recent Additions : Clear glass headlamps, Sunroof, 7 spoke 16 inch Alloy wheels,
 Beige leather interiors,rain sensing wipers, automatic rear blind, 7 disc MB Changer.
Have you ever owned the perfect automobile? A diesel car? A RWD diesel car that makes the traction control light blink in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears? A car that accelerates like a mad horse, hits a top indicated speed of 242 kph, handles like a train on rails and yet delivers 11.5 kpl in Bombay city traffic? This is a machine that smokes Honda City Vtecs, Skoda Octavia RS’ and even its petrol supercharged sister – The C200K. With 340 nm of torque, it has only the second best mid-range acceleration in India (to the E280). Butttttttttt the E280 is an automatic, and that’s why I will never consider buying one.


Then came the Black C220 CDI. This is one review that will start with the engine.

Engine and transmission :

141 BHP and 340 nm of torque. The only 6 speed manual in Mercedes’ entire Indian range, and quite possibly the fastest accelerating manual diesel car in the country. Though the rest of the car is so good, it’s really the engine that makes it a truly appealing package. A monstrous 340 nm of torque. It does a 0 – 100 in about 9 seconds, and accelerates from 140 – 200 like a regular car does from 0 – 60. The monstrous torque stops you from downshifting (ever) in city traffic. Even if you are cruising at a leisurely 100 kph…floor the throttle and you will be shoved back into the seat. Yup, this car taught my parents all about G-forces. All this and an in-city average of 11.5 complimented with a high 13.xx on the highway. Common-rail certainly rules.

Mercedes did a great job of spicing up the old C’s exteriors with clear lamp headlights, a more aggressively cut bumper, delicious multi-spoke alloy wheels and a sunroof.
People who complain about the C’s interior quality ought to check out my machine. Its light years ahead of my C180, with the new beige leather interiors, a partly redesigned dashboard, laminated dash finish and an extremely sporty instrument cluster (two large dials for speed & rpm). The only clear restriction is space, and 5 people are an impossibly tight fit inside. 4 are comfortable and 2 are perfect.


Ride and Handling :

Before I even took delivery, I upgraded my rubber to 225mm Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3s. Typical to most German cars, the low speed ride quality is not refined. It is not exactly harsh, but very firm-firm enough to make you feel the bumps and ridges on our city roads. Build up speed and it’s a different matter. This car is built to cruise at 100 kph+, and thereon takes even the worst of roads in its stride.

The handling is sheer beauty, and brings a smile each time you push it down lonavla ghats. Being RWD, oversteer sets in but never catches you by surprise. It’s very predictable and gradually starts sliding, rather than catching you with a snappy surprise. 


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#9 02-Sep, 2008 06:59 PM
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 Either ways, the traction control takes care of things before you would even try to. I have taken corners at speeds that would be unthinkable in most other cars I have owned, and came out of the corner with either a smile or a yawn. Of course, the Eagle F1s helped but the brilliantly right chassis is a joy to experience.

The finer things :

Living with a Mercedes is really about the smaller details. The ultra-solid feeling. The damped glove box lid. Excellent carpeting even in the storage areas. How you shut the door, and all the exterior noise stays where it belongs. There are two focus bulbs which light up the gear knob at night, but I initially couldn’t even find the bulbs (they are well concealed).

Weaknesses :

- Overpriced : Is this car worth 30 lac rupees?

- Exorbitant service costs: About 16 grand for the 1st service (10,000 kms) and close to 35 grand for the second service (due anytime now)

- No extended warranties (Standard is 2 year unlimited mileage plus the customary goodwill warranty thereafter)

- Rear seat space is very dismal.

- The external rear view mirrors are just too small. They are horribly inadequate, and give presence to several blind spots.

- The Speedo is to the left, and the rpm is to the right. Clearly a LHD arrangement.

Problems :

I am sure many of you came straight to this section Mercedes’ lemons are not an illusion; it’s a reality with almost every Mercedes in my circle having problems. After my terrible C180 experience, I had (umm…have) my fingers crossed. Until the 20,000 km mark, there have been only four issues. The first appears to be a design issue that most C Class’ have i.e. ihe plastic clip which holds the handbrake cable always breaks, and makes it interfere with the drive-train to cause a ticking sound. 5 minute of repair. The second is the sun-roof switch acting funny, and never making the sunroof do what you want it to (open, close, tilt up and down). The third is an SRS malfunction warning that had come up on the display. The final is a malfunctioning turn signal on the left side mirror.

This car is special. the C220 is the absolutely perfect sedan.

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#10 02-Sep, 2008 07:01 PM
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the review is about 2 years old hope it has helped u in someway






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