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Filling Nitrogen in tyres instead of Air

#91 06-Dec, 2009 04:37 PM
Ranjan Gupta
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Posted by Pankaj Prasad

Ranjan, I've actually filled Nitrogen for the second time.  I've shared my observations/ experiences before - have a look.  .......

Thanks Pankaj for the link!

I will get my car filled with nitrogen and then may be can discus / experience the difference better. Second time getting the 6monthly cycle repeated that means it must be good. But as you have mentioned previously there is no harm in getting it filled.

I think may be since there is no water vapour in the nitrogen filled, which is found more in coastal areas there is more difference in the ride and grip. May be this leads to better life of the rims/ tyres.



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#92 06-Dec, 2009 05:03 PM
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Actually earlier it was filled complimentary by the Tata dealer.  There after I switched back to Air.  Just recently when I went for wheel alignment/balancing, he insisted I go for it again - and he charged this time (quite natural).

I didn't refuse because I couldn't & for the fact that there is absolutely no harm in going for Nitrogen.  There are a few advantages - especially in some types of running conditions, as discussed before.




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#93 06-Dec, 2009 10:56 PM
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Pl suggest me where in Mumbai. I can get nitrogen filling station.



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#94 08-Dec, 2009 07:30 AM
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Hi Krishnaji,

Nitrogen is not hot air it is basically an inert gas and cooler gas. however the reply to your queries can be sent to you if you give any other email id I have a complete bunch of research papers done in india and in rough condition to check the advantages of the Nitrogen. 

Posted by Krishna

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/

Not much help to my speculation about nitrogen molecule size, but other than that pretty much supports my line of thought... So, Sharmaji was correct after all!!! Nitrogen is mostly hot air... Well 78% percent of hot air Wink


Water vapor in compressed air acts as a catalyst, accelerating rust and corrosion. Water vapor also absorbs and holds heat. And when it changes from liquid to vapor, water expands tremendously in volume. As a result, tires inflated with wet air tend to run hotter and fluctuate in pressure more. That's one of the reasons why racing tires, where fractions of a psi can radically change the handling characteristics, are inflated with dry nitrogen.

Posted by Rohit B.D.
Binoy, what I gather from that article is (my counter-points in red)...

  1. Loss of 1.5 psi/month with ordinary air as compared to 1.5 psi/6 months with N2 (hence better mileage, environment friendliness, etc.) - Is it really such a chore to get the air topped up every month? I mean most people refuel approx. every 2-4 weeks and most pumps also have the facility to fill air free of cost. So why not top up air the same time one refuels the car? It hardly takes a few extra minutes...
  2. Reduction in corrosion if N2 is filled, hence more safety - Is there any definite quantitative data which points to the fact (notion, rather) that tyres with normal air are unsafe? If yes then wouldn't manufacturers have already made (or gone for) alternate tyre materials research or technology? Or at least issued (dire) warnings about the perils of using ordinary air to fill up tyres. This, especially considering that powered vehicles have been manufactured for at least the past 60-100 years most of which (incidentally) use pneumatic (i.e., air-filled tube-type) tyres.

The article also mentions NASCAR, Aircraft and NASA/US military. That does not mean consumer vehicles need to use N2 in tyres. The applications above are a lot more demanding than ordinary driving. For racing, yes tyres are subject to that kind of abuse which warrants N2 instead of air simply because the heat and stresses are so high that it is well-worth the effort to pre-empt any chance of failure and this definitely includes failure due to presence of vapour and/or oxygen in tyres. Ditto for aircraft - a tyre burst on the runway is completely different from that on a highway. Also include the fact that the weather is not always good everywhere. That puts aircrafts in the same risk category as the next point. For NASA/military, yes N2 is required in tyres due to the risk of freezing (of the water content in the air, of course) which may render the vehicles unusable or lead to fatal accidents.



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#95 18-Dec, 2009 08:41 PM
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Today just for the heck of it, I  deflated all the tyres and re-filled it with normal air. I drove it around on rough roads. Came back to the station and deflated all tyres refilled N2 at the station(costed Rs 120/ Rs 30 per tyre). Again drove on the same road, I noticed that the tyre noise creeping into the cabin had most certainly reduced.

Will report if FE or ride comfort increases.




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#96 18-Dec, 2009 08:56 PM
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Hey I thought that Advertising in this forum is not allowed. 



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#97 21-Dec, 2009 09:57 AM
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Yes, it's NOT allowed.  Since deleted.

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#98 22-Dec, 2009 09:29 PM
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Hey Sandesh, I cannot find any logical link between road noise and N2. So what you observed could be Placebo Effect - Just a feeling that something has changed because you witnessed the deflation and inflation of tyres with N2.



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#99 15-Jan, 2010 11:10 PM
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Dear Banwari ji

i think CARWA is suitable name for the group

KARNWA in hindi means a fleet

Posted by Banwari
Sorry for delayed reply, Manoj. Being a bit busy, I am finding it hard to login to forums/blog. But I am happy that there are many people like Sunil, Anurag, Vinay and others who are coming ahead and helping people out.

As far as filling Nitrogen in tyres is concerned then I must say, it's already there. Normal air contains around 80% nitrogen so why bother about filling nitrogen in tyres. It apparently doesn't have any harm apart from the price you pay for it. If it's being offered for free at some filling-station, go ahead and fill it but if it's being sold for even 10 rupees/tyre, I would say, it's not worth the price!

Filling Nitrogen in tyres has NO apparent advantage over normal compressed air! It's a marketing gimmick, ignore it. All the claims made in your question don't have any substance. Checking tyre pressure is not a pain, whatsoever, do it regularly. That's more than enough.



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#100 03-Feb, 2010 10:48 AM
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I have driven my car in Pune with the Nitrogen filled tubes. I have experience that there you need not to check the tyre pressure every week, as it is required in case of normal air filling.The dealers claim that it lasts for 5 months which is not true but ofcourse we can enjoy driving and avoid pressure check atleast for three months. 

Posted by mm.valecha

I would appreciate if anybody gives the address of Nitrogen filling stations in Delhi.

Its in the Petrol Pump near the Star city mall in Mayur Vihar , Samachar Aptts.

Mayank

EDIT Remarks: Separated out quoted text from original post.



Last Updated: 03-Feb, 2010 11:14 AM, by Krishna
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