New SX4 launched

Dr.Abyshines, come and see my SX4 if you want to see rattles in a SX4. Why are we being stubborn? Fiat has parts that come off - my car's parcel tray broke , I accept that. City is under equipped for it's price - I accept that. SX4 and Swift's have rattling problems - why can't we accept that?

Sankalp, you don't want add on's that make a car complicated. Which SX4 you have? Zxi? ABS complicates the car, so does climate control - more electronics more problems. To defend your car, you are going over the top. Maybe we should go back to cars with manual window winders to avoid complications? For your information, I have a SX4 and a Punto. I am not talking on perceptions like many members, I have expereinced the SX4 for over 40K kms and over 2 years.

All I asked was why are poor plastics the whole center of another car's existence ignoring it's good points while in a Maruti, we justify it's negitive points by saying that because it gives some good features, it's okay if it compromises in some areas. Why don't people compromise on other car's negitives for the good they offer? Why the hypcrisy? I don't see any reason for you to take it so personally. It was not directed towards you or this forum. It was a simple question. You can substitute Maruti for a Nokia or Sony and Fiat for a Samsung or LG.

Dr.Abyshines, I cannot comment on a Manza. Why are you imagining problems to justify the lacking features in the SX4? I have configured 3 phones in my Punto and never had a problem. As soon as I get into the car, the system connects to B&M. Every command is understood by the system the first time. Nobody is compelling you to buy a car equipped with bluetooth. Until SX4 came, no car had steering mounted controls and people were happy. Now it's a basic feature expected in cars. At that time, why didn't you use the same words about practicality then?

Sankalp, just because you car does not rattle yet, doesn't mean people who say their cars are rattling are lying. When I complain about rattles to Vitesse and S.K.Maruti, the SA's just say, "Sir this is Maruti. It comes with rattles!" Imagine a Tata, Hyundai, Honda, GM dealer saying that. Would we defend them the same way?

I have said time and again. The SX4 was a great concept but Marti messed up the execution. The EPS is absolutely rubbish - the worst steering I have expereinced so far in my driving life. Now go ahead and call me biased.

Since you people talk about practicality, may I ask why Maruti refuses to give basic features like back lit power windows in a 8-9 lakh rupee car when cars costing 4 lakhs get them? Why Maruti feels the cigaratte lighter should be back lit but not the power window and mirror switches?! Why didn't Maruti launch the SX4 with back lit steering mounted controls from day one when other manufacturer's did?

Well Amit,

The only reason why not to accept your perceived serious quality issues with the SX4 is that there seem to be far more satisfied customers who have faced no real issues, or rattle with their SX4. Yes I have read your case in other forums as well, and I have to agree Maruti has given you a raw deal. But the point still remains, that we cannnot decide on a car's wuality issues with just one car. One has to take a larger sample size.

And I dont think anyone here will argue that Maruti has better build quality than Honda, but Maruti is not so bad that it becomes a real issue. Its more than acceptable.

If you glance at this month's Overdrive magazine, they got a Honda Jazz for long term test. The whole plastic panel from the rear hatch came straight off. Should we say that Jazz is a badly built car? I dont think so. One off cases always occur in mass manufacturing.

I dont say that the SX4 is an impeccable car, or that it's better or worse than the Honda City.

The whole point at the end of the day seems to be there are many more satisfied customers of the SX4 than unsatisfied ones on most forums that you go to. That has got to mean something does it not??

As said earlier also , no car is perfect car & so SX4 . It may be good for some & worst for others. I am saying that because my two friends are having SX4 . One is very happy & other is complaining everyday !! Rattling is common in all Maruti cars including SX4 & it is widely accepted as common feature. Poor FE is also common ( although here few people are claiming to have good FE & I believe that they are getting it ). Plastics & interiors are really cheap for a car costing almost 8 lacs . Here my benchmark is Aveo . Those who have not seen interiors & plastics of Aveo , please check it. Also acknowledged by all critics . Engine refinement is also where SX4 is far behind CITY & Aveo. Also one can check it . Its a fact. But all these don't make SX4 a bad car . It has got its takers & Maruti is trying hard to woo customers by launching fresh version. Also sales figures are not encouraging for a car coming from Maruti. Had it been from Fiat or GM or Ford , it would have been accepted as good sales figures .

what do you think about new sx4 i am looking for a sedan is it right choice pls share your experience deeply or linea fiat

yes,launched and rs.50000 discount anounced within 10 days of the launch(in todays indian express newspaper),so wish every one gets the point

I think i have already shared my views on this,nor do i want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Lets not argue anymore on this.

It wont make any difference i guess.

Generalisations like Bad quality and poor service should be kept at bay.

I can defend what i have seen and experienced,it doesnt make me a bad observer nor do i feel to say others have a poor knowledge.

Every one is distinct and has different taste and likings.

Also everybody's experience vary from one car to another,we are here to share that experience.

I am not endorsing any brand that i should feel so touched by someones appraisal or beliefs.

Soul idea is to put things to light.

not to conclude but for a better view.

I remember it all started with someone exaggerating.

And i maintain it still.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

@ Sansiddha Pani, rattles are not bothering me, in fact, I have never brought up the issue of rattles in my car so far. I have always said that SX4's problems are rubbish EPS, very hard suspension, poor NVH and inferior quality parts used. If you have raead through my report on another forum, you would have read that I had taken up the issue of car wavering to left or right immediately on leaving the steering. A engineer came down from Maruti but there was no solution. I drove another SX4, 2 Wagon R's and 1 Zen Estilo and all cars showed the same pattern. I guess EPS is too sensitive for Indian roads or that Maruti has either not mastered the art of tuning EPS or doesn't want to for some reasons.

Since we are talking about rattles, the first rattle in my SX4 came in at about 2xxxkms but nothing has broken. On the other hand, there are no rattles in my Punto after 8300kms but the rear parcel tray broke at 3xxxkms! Go figure!

I don't read OD but the part about Jazz is surprising. Should be a eye opener for many people. Thanks for sharing it.

I always say that no car is perfect and people are intelligent and well informed today so they will pick the car that fits their requirements and needs in the best POSSIBLE way.

In my case since my budget allowed me to buy a new City,I went to Honda showroom.They say Honda is a Honda and you do not need to drive it so test drive was out,but I sat in the car and the back seat was very very small and low and the seat back extremely sloping backwards.I could not sit in it with comfort even for short period and if a person of average Indian height like me (5 ft 10 inch) has to travel in it for long time,the only way is to sleep with head reclining back.I have also taken input from friends about its poor ground clearance and extra soft suspension that forces its belly to touch even small speed breakers.This is a very serious issue on Indian rods which are full of speed breakers and pot holes.So,for me the City was out.

In came the SX4 which has very good ground clearance and excellently designed interiors and spacious and better seats.SX4  ZXI has been with me for almost two yrs and 40000 km and it drives as good as a new car not a single rattle.It gives me 14.2 to 14.6 kmpl in city driving with ac and traffic.

My suggestion to people who are troubled by rattles.There could be a difference in the way they look after their car.Also,be magnaimous and replace one or two plastic parts that could be rattling as the rattles is definitely not a permanent feature of Maruti cars as is made out to be by some here.I also have a Alto for more than two years which has been driven hard and even my used Old Alto has no rattles and I have never replaced any parts etc for this.

Mr. Nipun Bharti

You are saying right that I also think in the Honda City main problem is its Ground Clearance

Again, with all the issues that you site, real or perceived, not exactly many people seem to be complaining about it. So I dont think one can take one case as the basis for declaring that all Maruti EPS systems are rubbish.

As for the Jazz incident, towards what does it opens one eyes???

I dont think the incident means anything at all. It is just a one off case. If we start taking every problem that a any one piece of a model has, we will end up concluding all parts are useless. In fact we will end up at all cars are useless, they just keep breaking down.