Vista OR i10

Dear all, please have a look at above queries.

My opinion:

Ans. 2: Yes you can select TDi even for low usage because Price is almost similar and Vista is very spacious, comfortable and VFM car.

Ans. 3: Infact this is a good decision for long run. Low running cost is always good. Car buying is one time investment but you will visit the Petrol pump on regular basis. Tank full 1900/- and tank full 1200/-.. Does matters alot. Today your running is low but after buying Vista, you will use this car for nearby locations (outstation) and its economical too.

Ans, 4: TDi is not high on maintenance. Maximum difference is 15% more than petrol one. You will save good money as running cost is low.

Ans. 5: Yes Vista TDi will serve you for long period of time. I dont think engine is bad for long run. Its trusted one. It depends on you, how you maintain your car. Regular service and regular check-up, you can use TDi for long period of time.

Ans.6: The only point is Quadrajet Engine (Fiat's Gem)! New/better technology with little bit less noise and better performance.

Ans 7: TDi is enough for a family of 5

Ans. 8: I dont think difference will be over 25k.

@Ranjit: These are my views.

1. I would also add the 'turbo'.

2. Yes, provided you keep the car for long and if you are not stretching to get the diesel car.

3. No. Provided you like the car.

4. 10% over the petrol car.

5. Yes, it is a proven engine.

6. QJD gives better output and refinement.

7. You have to decide. I would say that it is fine.

@Centaur: I've travelled in lots of Indica's right from V1. All the drives were different. There were smooth ones mostly and a few bad ones. All could deduce from that was that it all depends on how well you maintain it.

1. I am preferring Vista TDI (Aqua) because of following reasons:

      a. Same price as petrol car in the same segment. (i10-1.1/1.2, Vista SFIRE, Gets,)

      b. Good FE compare to any petrol car in same price.

      d. Lots of space & VFM

The TDi will give you about 16-18 kmpl of diesel and about 20 on the highways (figures from old IndiGO, not from Indica Vista). 

If the mileage is similar then your logic is perfectly sound.  If it costs the same as a petrol car, then its a no-brainer - regardless of the mileage you will log.

2. Can I select TDI even for my low usage? (Because its FE & economic to run against petrol car in same range)

No problem.  Whoever said a diesel vehicle is not for low-mileage?

3. Is that going to be wrong decision if I go for Vista TDI because of my budget concern?

Depends on what your requirements are - from what you've stated, it shouldnt make any difference.  Not everyone can make out the difference anyway.

4. Is it (TDi) going to be high on maintenance after some time?

If you do have maintenance issues, the Tdi which is an indirect injection diesel engine, is going to be easier on the wallet than the Quadrajet which is a common rail diesel engine.

Whats more, you can easily take your Tdi to a 'local' garage and get them to work on it while the QJD will HAVE to be taken to the authorized service centre.  I'd prefer this arrangement if I were you - at least I can pick a garage I trust and get them to work on it!

5. Does the Vista TDI will serve me for long period of time?

Sure will.  Other than the engine, the rest of the car is pretty much the same and the engine is one that has logged hundreds of millions of miles in over a million engines.  Why do you think this is such a big hit in the taxi market?  It may be slightly unrefined and underpowered in the non-turbo form, but this engine can take a whole lot of punishment.

6. What are points in TDI which makes us to think of QJD?

Refinement, marginally lower power, turbo lag.  The QJD does not seem to have a major issue with turbo lag while the TDi does have turbo lag which can get under your skin in very heavy bumper-to-bumper traffic for a long time.

7. Is it (TDI) enough for me?

Thats your choice, ultimately.

8. What could be resale ratio over QJD?

 Any difference in resale value will be marginal - resale is normally decided principally by the model and not by the engine or trim variants.  The prevailing price for the model will apply with very small variations for the engine variant - therefore you wouldnt lose much on resale w.r.t a QJD and CERTAINLY not as much as you have saved on the purchase in the first place!!! Its a win-win.

Thanks

Thanks all.

7. Is it (TDI) enough for me?   --> I meant enough compare to QJD

Well explained Steeroid. Kudos.

To add...

• There is no harm in going for Diesel car (Vista TDi or QJD) - irrespective of run/usage.  It will give better driveability & roll-on acceleration due to higher torque. As discussed before, total maintenance cost (spares/repairs etc.) will be higher by 10-15% (negligible & spread over a period of ownership) - while the daily running-cost will reduce by 40-45% (diesel cars are more fuel efficient & economical).
• TDi generally returns mileage of 15-17 in city & 19-21 on highway (depending upon driving conditions & style).  QJD will return 1-1.5 kms more.
• The difference in the maintenance cost (TDi & QJD) is mainly due to Fuel Injection Pump & its system / related aspects.  FIP related issues, if any, will cost much higher (at least for the present) in QJD than it would in case of TDi.

Also TDI is cheaper than QJD by 50-55K in which I can run TDI for next couple of years.

Yes, you can consider that as VFM

quite possible Ami and I have no arguments on that but unfortunately most of the times I had an experience with the TDi, it was noisy. The ride was always good and smooth. I just mentioned about the noise. I would not not want to generalise it for all TDi cars. I did not have a chance to ride around in a vista TDi though. Maybe the vista TDi cabin is well insulated from the outside noise and it would be a better ride.

@Ranjit - since you plan to keep the car for a longer time frame and the difference between the petrol vista and TDi vista is not very huge you can very well consider it. Apart from the ownership costs you will get a very good resale for it as compared to the petrol counterparts.