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#11 15-Jul, 2009 12:17 PM
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just to add, my suggestion are only applicable to this scenario since the run is only 800 kms a month.




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#12 15-Jul, 2009 12:28 PM
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Highway run being 1/4th or not. A good low end torque is quite handy both on highways and in cities.

A 10-15% maintenance cost is not that huge a difference.

In the case of Linea you get more features plus lower running cost at the same price. Doesnt that make it more VFM?

Small update the calculation in that link is flawed. 15KMPL FE for Saffire and only 15 KMPL for QJD Surprised



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#13 15-Jul, 2009 12:30 PM
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Posted by Centaur

I too will be glad if the initial offset between petrol and diesel would be non -existent but unfortunatley its not the same yet. Have a look at this thread for some calculations on the diesel-petrol expense

Yes Centaur,

The price difference will be there for petrol to diesel cars of the same brand and same model - What I am talking about here is for the price of a petrol car of Brand A / Model A, I get a diesel car with siilar features of Brand B / Model B, then, why not consider the diesel.

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K Prasad



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#14 15-Jul, 2009 12:36 PM
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I would like to add, performance of Fiesta... Sanjeev (My Bro) came back yesterday night from Delhi and he told me this time I touched 153kmph on Hapur - Delhi highway Car was damn stable and he added... Bhai aur bhi gunjaish thi par Kapoor g nay bus bol diya. 




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#15 15-Jul, 2009 12:44 PM
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@Ami- in the calculation they have taking into account mainly the difference in fuel prices. 15 kmpl for QJD has been considered just for the fact that suppose you consider that both of them give the same FE then what will be the saving in fuel prices and how much time will it take to recover the extra cost of initial investment and increased maintenance. Nothing elseLaughing

I totally agree about the linea being a VFM (pricing/package) and I never raised any questions on that front at all.

@KVSK -  if the buyer intends to keep the car for long then it would be better to go in the way you are suggesting.

But then since all the senior members are in for a diesel car for 800kmpm then I guess the way i think is wrong. Sorry about that!




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#16 15-Jul, 2009 01:13 PM
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Posted by Centaur

.... 15 kmpl for QJD has been considered just for the fact that suppose you consider that both of them give the same FE then what will be the saving in fuel prices and how much time will it take to recover the extra cost of initial investment and increased maintenance. Nothing elseLaughing

Assuming same mileage isn't appropriate in the sense that diesel is cheaper on running cost not just because it costs less but also for the fact that it is more fuel efficient - returns higher mileage (4-5 kms per litre - that's huge in % terms). Hence, the true picture will only emerge if correct mileage figures are taken in to account.

Briefly, running cost on diesel is 40-45% cheaper than petrol.




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#17 15-Jul, 2009 01:44 PM
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Posted by Centaur

But then since all the senior members are in for a diesel car for 800kmpm then I guess the way i think is wrong. Sorry about that!

Come On Centaur - Nothing of that sort and you are certainly not wrong - The thing is if you compare diesel v/s petrol within the same model, then in order to offset the extra money spent of diesel option, one needs to use it for atleast 1000 kms a month.

But then, if I get a diesel car of similar quality, but of a different brand / model for the same price of a petrol car, then why not consider diesel at the very onset - no matter how less you run the car, since there is no price difference when the car is bought, it will result in savings that are very obvious because of lower running costs.

Maintenance of a diesel car is going to be slightly expensive - to me I don't see anything more than 5K additional expense an year, but it gets offset by the fact that diesel cars last much longer and also fetch better resale values.

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K Prasad



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#18 15-Jul, 2009 02:08 PM
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Posted by Pankaj Prasad

Assuming same mileage isn't appropriate in the sense that diesel is cheaper on running cost not just because it costs less but also for the fact that it is more fuel efficient - returns higher mileage (4-5 kms per litre - that's huge in % terms). Hence, the true picture will only emerge if correct mileage figures are taken in to account.

Briefly, running cost on diesel is 40-45% cheaper than petrol.

I totally agree on that with you Pankaj but the case considered here is the worst case scenario (i dont think it will be that worse anyway). Assuming a run of 1 lac kms a year and having an average of 15kmpl you can still get the extra cost involved recovered in 3 years. We all know that the actual FE for diesel cars will be around 3-5 kmpl more than whats stated and so you could actually end up recovering the expenses pretty earlier. If you look at the other side, the calculation is in fact in favour of diesel cars.

@KVSK, I agree with you too. As mentioned my stand is only for this particular thread and not a generic one. If you ask me for an option between a 1.6L petrol and 1.6L diesel car with not  huge price difference, I will definitely pick the latter for the reasons we all know. here the member is having a budget for the ANHC. Now the ride,performance and feel of a petrol car in the range of 9lacs will be much better than a diesel car and that is what I wanted to bring in




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#19 15-Jul, 2009 03:00 PM
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Your use is so very limited that it does not justify diesel at all.Moreover you are using car mostly in city where diesel engine (due to low speeds in city) will not even be able to spool up its turbo .And without turbo,diesel engine performance is dismal very poor.So while on the one hand you do not need Diesel due to your limited use,you will be missing on the punch of a petrol for slow speed city driving.Check the speed at which your turbo will spool up.Even the best car on this front ie FiestaD is very slow to spool up turbo (1300rpm).Then,you will also need to deal with the issue of additional sudden jump in power as and when the turbo of diesel does get spooled.Moreover,diesel engines are noisier,hotter and expensive to maintain.Diesel engine will make sense only if the additional cost charged for diesel engineover petrol is small say 10000 as it happens abroad.



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#20 15-Jul, 2009 03:45 PM
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Still the calculation is flawed as the FE quoted for saffire is too much on the higher side. Anyways.

Posted by Centaur

But then since all the senior members are in for a diesel car for 800kmpm then I guess the way i think is wrong. Sorry about that!

Yaaar.....

Here nobody is wrong. It is a win-win situation here. Your reasoning was totally based on maths(were it is not right to take a diesel). We just added the other factors to it, which makes diesel an equally good option. Simple



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