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#41 13-Apr, 2009 01:49 PM
Sunil
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@ Aseem,

I am glad that you enjoy the pleasure of driving Getz. The driving experience/pleasure can not be same to others. It depends on other persons physique (tall or short), seating,steering,gear ratio,features etc.

Try to understand that we can not discribe the driving pleasure. Power is not the only parametre or variable for gaining pleasure.

No doubt this is the fourm where one can seek guidance/adivce and share experience.At the same time trying to impose Driving pleasure & VFM etc repreadly of one particular car may not help others. You have shared lot of Positives & negatives of Getz and other cars. It is upto the buyer to consider this and do further search & analysis.

I agree with all that you have mentioned exept the  Driving pleasure which is subjective, can not be described, can not be measured, does not have a standard format.

Some times self esteem & pride can also causes driving pleasure.

Have you Test drove Swift & I20 & Fabia?



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#42 13-Apr, 2009 02:11 PM
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Hi Aseem Behl, I have read all the post in this thread regarding your experience about Getz. You have mentioned loads of Positive point of Getz and also said that no car in the segment can match overall package that Getz offer. Being a proud owner of Getz since last 6 months & 5k kms, I second all your comments and agree on most of the points. One thing is sure "No one can know the Getz without owning one". It is the most perfect hatch available in the market. If you intend to keep yout car for more than 6-7 years or say 1.00 lakh kms, you are not losing anything in buying getz. Because I feel that you have enjoyed every penny you spend on the car and hence re-sale value does not make much difference. Hope our points make some difference in the buying decision of buyers. All the best & enjoy your Getz.



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#43 13-Apr, 2009 02:48 PM
Aseem Behl
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@Sunil,

How does being tall/short change the driving pleasure of a car ?

Can you be a li'l more elaborate on this point, for it to be more clear to all ?

Though, just to add to what i have alredy mentioned, all the models of Getz 1.3 has Tilt stearing, exactly to match ur own physique and needs

Also can you please mention, what all are the criteria on which you decide Driving pleaure other than the following:

Tilt stearing, Smooth Driiving, Great suspension, No cabin noise, Good pick up !!

What ar e the other subjects on which one can decide the driving pleasure,... again can u share some examples ?

Self esteem and pride -- Driving Pleasure ??

I thought this was a technical forum where facts and figures are to be presented :-o

No offence my dear , but what you mention sounds very abstract !!

Yes Sir, i have driven Swift, Fabia and i20 and all of them twice before making my choice.

Fabia and i20 dont have the power to support highway driving and even in city they are difficult to manuver due to lower torque.

Swift is swifter than Getz but than its really crampy inside with dull interiors and rattled/bumpy drive !!

Also in ur previous post you had suggested i10 to be a much better hatch than Getz, could you please share some facts on this as well.. thanks

@Bhavin: Glad that you are liking the experience and i hope that few others would also gain from these facts and select the most practical, comfortable and value for money, nicely built  car 



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#44 13-Apr, 2009 03:02 PM
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Posted by Aseem Behl

Fabia and i20 dont have the power to support highway driving and even in city they are difficult to manuver due to lower torque.

Torque figures vis-a-vis rpms...

  • Fabia: 123nm @ 3000 rpm (power 70ps @ 5400rpm)
  • Getz 1.3: 115nm @ 3200rpm (power 83ps @ 5500rpm)
  • i20: 112nm @ 4000rpm (power 80ps @ 5200rpm)

As stated before (post #40), the main advantage Getz has (over i20) is torque at lower rpm.  Fabia has higher torque at even lower rpm (but has less power).




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#45 13-Apr, 2009 03:12 PM
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Posted by Bhavin Shah


"No one can know the Getz without owning one".



Going by that logic, all the car reviewers should own the car's they review. Well, that is not the case. It is all based on your observation.

Posted by Bhavin Shah


It is the most perfect hatch available in the market.



If it was then how can we explain the low FE offered by 1.3, introduction of 1.1 engine and the low sales figures.
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Getz was a good car. But the presence and introduction of i10/i20/Swift/Vista has made it no good. Only worthy option in Getz is CRDi.

Getz has only one good point, the space and comfort offered can only be beaten by Vista. No other car comes near it.

I've driven the car from Bangalore to Thrissur. I was the sole driver that night(I was not ready to give the car to anyone). Performance with AC on is kinda not impressive. NVH levels are quite good. The cabin is silent. It takes speeds without fuss. I did push it to 140+. I've already told about the legspace and comfort. We were 5 guys so the comfort was very important. The car went to Trivandrum the next day and back to Bangalore. The interiors look bland as in the case of Swift.

Vista would do better on this because of the better ride height and more space in the cabin. Performance of Saffire and the 1.1 is almost the same.

Swift like most of the other Maruti doesnt care about rear passengers. However the front seat of swift is a different story overall. The car has higher ground clearance. Ingress-Egress is easier compared to Getz. Good for long journey, if you dont have much passengers. Pickup and driving is excellent. Handling dept is also quite good. Pickup with AC isn't much compromised.

i20 is a luxury car with no power. The car to have if you want to pamper yourselves. The new engines would solve the issue of power. Then, Hyundai has yet another winner in their hands.

i10 is the better package of the lot and that explains why it is the best seller. I guess I don't have say more here.

Disclaimer: Following are my opinions on the cars. Please dont take it as personal or derogatory.



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#46 13-Apr, 2009 03:50 PM
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Posted by Aseem Behl

Also in ur previous post you had suggested i10 to be a much better hatch than Getz, could you please share some facts on this as well.. thanks

Getz 1.3 GLX  - 5.20 lakh on road with ABS & Alloy wheels -

advantage - More space               Disadvantage: Possibility of Hyundai phasing out the Getz

I10 asta: 5.40 lakh on raod with ABS/Air bags/Sterio/speakers

Advantage - Latest generation design, better refinement, slightly more mileage 15 against 12 of Getz

Power : How much of a difference could it make in terms of the zippiness of the engine as both the vehicles have similar powered engines.



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#47 13-Apr, 2009 04:27 PM
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By AMI, "Going by that logic, all the car reviewers should own the car's they review. Well, that is not the case. It is all based on your observation."

It's not like that, here ppl rule out Getz even without TD the car. Test drive report and Long term test drive reports are available for most of the other cars, but Getz being an old car nobody bothers to read the review given by actual users or even the Carwale. They judge the car only by the figures of sales.

F.E. of 1.3 was not at all bad and my 1.1 does not give more than 12 in city with AC, But it is fine in real world of traffic. Even Swift is having the same F.E.

Getz being perfect car over I-10 / Swift: You have said, it is more comfortable and spacious. Par in F.E. against Swift and slightly lower against I-10. But Getz is more studier too.

Getz being perfect against Vista: Vista offers more cabin space compared to Getz but at the cost of Boot space. Compare the boot space of Vista with Getz. You can not carry two medium size suit-cases in Vista. All the version of GEtz has 60:40 rear seat folding, while you have to stretch too much for this small feature in case of Vista. Though Vista has some other features in top end model. Front Visibility of Vista is problem for short ppl/ladies driver due to it's higher dash-board. Getz visibility is just brilliant and perhaps it is the best in class. These are very small points, but makes lots of difference when you put your car in usage. Certain points can not be judged in a small Test Drive.

AND HENCE THE GETZ IS THE BEST HATCH.



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#48 13-Apr, 2009 05:03 PM
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Posted by Bhavin Shah

By AMI, "Going by that logic, all the car reviewers should own the car's they review. Well, that is not the case. It is all based on your observation."

It's not like that, here ppl rule out Getz even without TD the car. Test drive report and Long term test drive reports are available for most of the other cars, but Getz being an old car nobody bothers to read the review given by actual users or even the Carwale. They judge the car only by the figures of sales.

Sales figures is an indication which cant be ignored. A bad car cant have good sales figures and a good car cant have bad sales figures. Having said so, I haven't seen any comments that was solely based on sales figures.

I dont see much sense in this. There are cars that are even older than Getz. For eg, Santro from Hyundai stable, WagonR from the Maruti stable. Ppl still value these cars and still buy them. I usuall dont get to see BLAH BLAH BLAH comments on any cars on this forum(exceptions are there).

The car being a failure is bolstered by the recent heavy discounts from the company.

Posted by Bhavin Shah

F.E. of 1.3 was not at all bad and my 1.1 does not give more than 12 in city with AC, But it is fine in real world of traffic. Even Swift is having the same F.E.

1.3 has an FE matched by sedans like SX4 and Accent(Sorry for the lil exxageration). 1.1 having an FE of 12 is not a big deal and same goes for the comparison with Swift. Swift is having more power which explains the loss in FE.

Posted by Bhavin Shah

Getz being perfect car over I-10 / Swift: You have said, it is more comfortable and spacious. Par in F.E. against Swift and slightly lower against I-10. But Getz is more studier too.

i10 has better interiors, better FE and more power, and better packaging. Nice to drive also.

Swift has marginally better interiors, driving pleasure, ease to drive, resale, lower maintenance cost. Same FE with more power. More ride height.

Only area on which Getz is ahead is the space.

Posted by Bhavin Shah

Getz being perfect against Vista: Vista offers more cabin space compared to Getz but at the cost of Boot space. Compare the boot space of Vista with Getz. You can not carry two medium size suit-cases in Vista. All the version of GEtz has 60:40 rear seat folding, while you have to stretch too much for this small feature in case of Vista. Though Vista has some other features in top end model. Front Visibility of Vista is problem for short ppl/ladies driver due to it's higher dash-board. Getz visibility is just brilliant and perhaps it is the best in class.

On luggage being carried. Hatches are mainly meant for city drives. Where the luggage is mostly grocery bags, soft luggages etc. Visibility factor was more of less the same in both the cars. Plus I dont think 60:40 split is too great a feature to have.

Posted by Bhavin Shah

These are very small points, but makes lots of difference when you put your car in usage. Certain points can not be judged in a small Test Drive.

These are points which one can notice in a Good TD. You dont have to drive the car for months to notice all these points. As I said before it is all about observations.

Do look around to see other's TD reports to see the observations. I guess we had 3-4 such instances lately.



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#49 13-Apr, 2009 05:04 PM
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Posted by Bhavin Shah


AND HENCE THE GETZ IS THE BEST HATCH.



This is sweeping generalisation.

There are no absolutes when it comes to cars. It is the requirement that makes a car better (plus personal preference).

Spacious car with boot would make Getz better.

More spacious car with no concern on boot would make Vista better.

All rounder rounder requirement would make i10 the obvious choice.

Performer with no concern on rear seating makes Swift better.

So on and so forth.

And the debate goes on and on..........



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#50 13-Apr, 2009 05:17 PM
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Agree with Ami. 

Honest & straight forward views.(Amazing is an understatement.)



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