How to improve mileage of Honda City (current: 18 kmpl; goal: 23 kmpl)?

I guess you are in a process of giving me good news every Monday. Congrats.....
I am limiting it to a word as you would be be taking up the data again. All the best.....
My prayers are with you.

Hi Krishna,

Thanks for your reply.

If you are considering Hydroxy is scam then I cant help it. Only thing I can tell you to visit http://www.fuelsavedevices.com/mileagegain.html . All the results posted are 100% true and correct. However you can get the more information on http://www.panaceauniversity.org/ .

If sometimes you plan to visit Mumbai then get in touch with me and have a test drive my car to see the real difference.

I feel that if we keep on thinking about the law of thermodynamic then we simply cant do any thing. You must be knowing the famous ohm law, which is V = IR. According to this law the voltage is directly proportional to current and resistance. But have you ever heard about the non-liner load, which does not follow the Ohm law. So here is the breaking of the old rule.

If you want to have the proof of overunity then please have a look on the GEET technology, Dave Lawton / Ravi Raju etc.

You might be thinking that the life of battery is only 3 years and once dead it can not be restored until unless we change the internal component of the same. But have you heard about radiant chargers, which can virtually bring the life into the dead battery.

Have you heard about the Joe cell, please search the internet and read about it. It is a kind of radiant energy where you can run the car with out fuel and without power.

Have you heard about the megnatic motor, which can run at its own without external power.

Have you heard about the Tesla / Bedini / Brandatt circuit, where they have operated a DC motor for continous 6 month on AA batteries without discharge of the battery.

So come out from the old traditional mindset and think out of box. At the end, I can offer you a demo of Hydroxy technology in Mumbai on any Honda city car.

Wish you all the success in your endevour.

Regards

Praveen

I feel that if we keep on thinking about the law of thermodynamic then we simply cant do any thing. You must be knowing the famous ohm law, which is V = IR. According to this law the voltage is directly proportional to current and resistance. But have you ever heard about the non-liner load, which does not follow the Ohm law. So here is the breaking of the old rule.

@Praveen, speaking of thermodynamic laws, if it were possible to violate them then time-travel into the past would be possible. However as you can observe we haven't had any visitors from the future (for whom our present is the past). Secondly about non-linear loads - yes they do follow physical laws that have been tested ad infinitum. An example is a recifier. And yes they follow the ohm's law under certain conditions (for the rectifier the condition is that the applied forward voltage is much greater than it's knee voltage under normal temp. & pressure). Even Ohm's law is an approximation - in the same sense that Newton's laws of gravity are an approximation of those from Einstien's general theory. What I mean is that a resistor which is a linear load can become non-linear under certain conditions (like extreme heat or cold) and the ohm's law that we apply to it is a special condition (normal temp. & pressure). This does not mean ohm's law is untrue or some devices that don't follow it - only that it simplifies calculations for the most part for a particular rage of temperature or any other physical parameter - same as to why Newton's laws are simpler but not exact.

Another example is an inductor - it is not a linear load if the current is changing (depending on its reactance) but if the current is constant it will follow ohm's law (I = V/R where R is the DC resistance of the inductor).

To sum up - the laws of physics cannot be violated in any way. Perhaps you need to calculate the amount of energy required to generate enough gas which can improve mileage by 25%. hen you will see why it won't work. Yes physically gas will be produced but not enough to give any significant change.

Guys, I appreciate all arguments and counter arguments. My own position is stated a post or two earlier clearly.

What I do nto appreciate is polluting this thread with discussion that really belongs to this thread, devoted totally to water4gas. Thrash it out, go any lengths. Does not matter if it is discussed already, sincerely! But THERE. not here.

Please maintain some sanctity to this thread's discussion. Pleeease!

Hi Krishna,

The issue / objective of this thread is to increase the mileage of Honda city from 18 to 23 kmpl. Because of this reason, I had suggested one of the way to increase the mileage. So the point posted by me is as per the objective of the thread.

Although when you get the chance read out the technologies mentioned (like Joe cell, Dave lawton, Bedini etc) in my previous post.

So let us cut it short. My offer is still open and valid to give a demo of Hydroxy technology on any Honda city car. Let me see, if I can arrange some car at my end.

Regards

Praveen

Hi Rohit,

Thanks for your reply.

As mentioned in your post that "Even Ohm's law is an approximation". That we are talking today but in last many decades all the circuits have been designed based on the Ohm law only. Also you have mentioned that "load can become non-linear under certain conditions (like extreme heat or cold) ". That means the Ohm law needs a correction for operating temperatures, hence again breaking of ages old concept.

No issues, we are not here to argue on the basic principal. My saying was to inform you about the Hydroxy technology and new emerging technologies. I am doing research on these topic since last 2.5 years and associated with many groups. I also request to go through the technology mentioned in my post to have a feel what people are thinking and developing.

With regards to Hydroxy application on the engine. I wish to infrom you that it is not a overunity concept. Here we are making the engine to run more efficiently. The efficiency of the Petrol and Diesel engine (I think petrol - 25-30% and Diesel - 30-35%) is very less and there is a ample scope of improvement. The Hydroxy technology does the following on the engine:

1. Helps complete burn of the fuel. This you can verify through emmission test (before and after booster installation).

2. Removes the old carbon deposit from the engine. Also does not allow the fresh carbon deposit because of the complete burning of fuel inside the engine.

3. Increases the power of the car. So even at lower speed you can drive your car on high gear, so again saving in the fuel. etc etc

I wish to infrom you hat on my Santro Zing, I am using 12 volts and around 15 Amps as power supply to my booster. So the total power consumed is around 180 watts. With this power consumption, I am getting 30-40% gain. I had installed the booster around a year back and since then my Santro Mileage is never gone below 16 kmpl in city condition.

Let us evaluate the above bases on the law. If I am taking the power from the  battery then there is a load on the altenator to charge the battery. Hence there is a load on the engine and engine should consume more fuel. So virtually the power consumed should be equal to the power generated (i.e. energy content of Hydroxy gas) then from where I am getting the mileage gain. Let me tell you that this gain is arriving as we are making engine more efficient.

There are many ways by which we can increase the efficiency of the engine. Please have a look of the Groove technology on http://somender-singh.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=49 .

I have gone through the online newletter of Newzeland (as posted by Krishna). This news latter is talking about the Ozzi Freedom. We also know this is a faulty system and he is master of marketing. There are many other such kind of people in the market but it does not mean that this technology does not work.

Regrds

Praveen

Hijack alert...!

Praveen, please take your discussion to the thread pointed or start a new thread. Please don't barge in on a thread progressed to 12th page and start something abruptly, that too with double posts

Hi Krishna,

First of all I am extreamly sorry for the double post. That was because of intruption in my net connection when I was posting.

Again I am sorry for you, because you cant understand the latest technology. Only I can say that you please continue with the your tricks like running the car in neutral, switching off the engine on signals (although it is a good practice), removing the standard factory fitted parts and replacing with the low strength plastic parts, disconnecting aircompressor etc etc.

As far as I am concern I am not conveinced with the technology you are implementing to gain the mileage. Even if you or any body in this thread / forum really want to understand the Hydroxy technology then drop me a mail ******@*****.***

If I will get some Honda city car and get opportunity to install the booster then I will let you know all.

Regards

Praveen

Post edited to delete (******@*****.***) email-ID.

@Praveen, please go through the Rules & Guidelines, as already requested for in this thread (link provided therein).  Pease also take a suitable note of the post that follows.  I trust you appreciate the concern. Thanks.

Further discussion, if any, on HHO, may PLEASE to continued/posted in the relevant thread we have for the purpose - here it is. 

If desired, the members concerned may repost there (copy/paste) in the sequence required.

@ Praveen, please look at the edit remark in your post above.

Hi Pankaj and all,

Thanks for your views.

I think this forum is not my cup of tea. I am an open source engineer and does not beleive in hiding the things. You may delete all of my post on this website.

Have a nice time.

Regards

Praveen