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#21 13-Dec, 2008 10:23 AM
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Welcome Arup to CarWale.  A nice write-up indeed. Thanks.

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.... it then progressed to a Royal Enfield Bullet when I was in 8th grade....

Just a little off-track, in reference to the above quote... I own/use Royal Enfield 350CC.  I bought it new in 1985 & have done more than 1.60 lac kms until now.  Have got the entire thing overhauled once, after 1.30 lac kms of use.  Here's a photo of my Bullet - I'm still very possessive about it Smile




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#22 13-Dec, 2008 10:33 AM
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Hey about Opening His Intro in the Introduction section itself!so all would benifit!

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#23 13-Dec, 2008 10:39 AM
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Posted by Brutus_Marcus

Well, the Jonga produced 145hp@3800rpm and 32.5kgm@2000rpm torque, as when it was used with a Hitchi carburater, and 125hp with the indian solex carb.

The figures stated otherwise as power figures(110hp) is for the diesel motor.

Very few early versions equipped with the Hitachi carb and hitachi distributer and these also had a 30" water fording option. the later versions with the solex carb and Lucas distributer could only ford as high as the distributer itself.

Never knew that Bikram is also a part of this forum. Wonderful to see experts like you and Dr. here. I am sure we all will benefit a lot from your knowledge. Thanks for correcting me. Smile




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#24 13-Dec, 2008 10:49 AM
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@Sabareesh, can you please give a brief introduction of Bikram. Thanks.




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#25 13-Dec, 2008 10:58 AM
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Posted by Pankaj Prasad

@Sabareesh, can you please give a brief introduction of Bikram. Thanks.

Never got a change to get introduced to him personally but have read his knowledgable posts elsewhere on the web. He is an encyclopedia as far as SUVs go. Would leave the introduction part for him.




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#26 15-Dec, 2008 04:48 PM
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Posted by Arup.Chowdhury

I currently own the VFJ Jonga having purchased it directly from the factory in 97. It has the HINO engine. As per the BHP figures, the original Nissan in line 6 developed 145bhp on crank and not the wheel as per the original Nissan manual. The VFJ OTOH develops 110bhp in its declawed non turbo engine develops 110bhp on the wheels and also close to 28kg/m of torque at a whopping 990 RPM. The original Nissan engine would roughly develop around 95bhp if measured on wheels with the Hitachi carb. The HINO engine pulverizes the original 3 speed due to its higher torque and output, one of the reasons VFJ has to remove the turbo and reduce the bhp from 138 to 110. I have gone through 3 original gear boxes so I know the predicament of this quite well. The last gearbox is running well due to my extra care of not really pushing the vehicle. Otherwise with the Hino or the original engine its a phenomenal off road vehicle coming quite close to my Gurkha on its off road abilities except the Gurha has even more clearance and the built in diff locks give it an undue advantage.

Dr. Arup Roy Chowdhury Ph.D

Hi guys,

 And thanks for the welcome, Sabareesh. To tell you the truth, i am not so much into SUV's(not the modern ones), but as far as offroaders go, i think i can qualify as a freek. And the jonga, well, its my first love. I currently own a Boleor(soon upgrading to a 4x4 Di bolero), a 65 willys petrol and a 72 petrol mahindra jeep(have a 84 rd350 and a 57 bullet too, but thats another thing). I have bought a Jonga, and right now i really cannot decide if i would keep it with the petrol motor or a bombed cummins. I say that because i managed to get myself a lot of stock spares( brand new hitachi carb, original water-proof distributer, and entire drivetrain component set). Either ways, it would get a set of 33 offroad wheels and a nissan 1 ton gearbox(with the pto winch) mated to a atlas transfercase.(i am working on the diff-locks for the stock axles right now).

 Arup, may i correct you here. As you can understand, back in the day they never calculated figures at the wheel, it was just the crank, thus the Patrols rating, and i seriously doubt VFJ would even have a dyno to calculate wheel power figures, so it most probably is crank power(and thats what truck motors are calculated in even today). Still it can smash the stock tranny because it produces its max torque at right about idle, and at that point, since the vehicle is stationary, it causes the max stess on drivetrain components, things can go kaput very soon. Secondly if the Hino produces 110hp@3200rpm that means its actually producing 25kgm torque@3200rpm. Since the max torque is 28kgm@1000rpm(therefore dropping only 3kgm torque over 2200rpm), these figures look highly unlikely. I am saying this because the most efficiently these motors(low end torque truck engines) can produce power is till 2500rpm and 3200 is really stretching it as much as you can. And droping just 3kgm of torque over the rpms is amasing efficiency, that absolutely no engine(even todays standard) can match, and that too for a non-turbo motor, which is supposed to be even less efficient(it draws less air at higher rpms, but incase of the turbo its forced-fed). Even the cummins 4bt which is a more modern motor(but the same displacement) drops 4.3kgm over 1500rpm, and that too with the turbo. Take a look at the Ashok leyland hino W04D(same motor as in the Jonga), and it produces 87Hp@2800 and 26kgm@1800(which means its lossing 3.5kgm over just 1000rpm, but thats extremely efficient too, and for the same engine), and adding a higher rpm spring or a ligher fuel pump weight(like it was done in case of the jonga), would only increase the dropped figures, but increase hp levels as rpms are increased.

 As for the Jonga stock petrol motor, well, it can never match the torque figures of diesel, but

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#27 15-Dec, 2008 07:20 PM
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As per the specs and the brochure, company as well as VFJ, the HINO was rated at 110bhp at 3200rmp and the torque rating was at 28.2kg/m. These were the figures per se. In a head to head acceleration test with a petrol engine Jonga, that too with a original Hitachi carb, the diesel engine outdid it in accelration and top speed thereby indicating higher power and torque. As I said the only hitch was that the gear box would break down frequently. Now with conservative driving, we have managed to keep the tranny alive.



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#28 15-Dec, 2008 07:38 PM
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The stock tranny is no good. Its hardly just as beefy as the T90 jeep gearbox. Wonder when they were putting up the diesel monster, why they did'nt just use the 4 speed from the 1-ton. That gearbox is a monster, a 1.5 input gear, very low first gear(6.52:1 i think), plus the option of a P.T.O. Its as strong as the GBS40 tata gearbox, just a notch stouter, so fitting it into the patrol would'nt be much problem, only that it comes with a single speed transfer box.

 Take care,

 Bikram



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#29 15-Dec, 2008 07:48 PM
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The stock tranny matched the HINO engine perfectly and didnt need any mods or plates to retrofit, thats probably the reason why. The stock tranny is not shabby at all when mated to its original engine and there are Jongas of 69-71 vintage still running strong in US. These are off roaded daily. The only match for this engine is the monstrous ZF used in Stallion but there is no space in the chassis for that. They did offer the 4 speed but I don't know whether it was the same 1 ton version but needless to say, due to VFJ's apathetic handling and poor quality control, there were problems with that as well. The only tranny that matched it well was Leyland's own design but sadly VFJ didn't bother with that as they had to keep the costs down due to Indian military budgets.



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#30 16-Dec, 2008 11:23 AM
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Doc, Bikram,

As far as my limited knowledge goes, I heard that there were some HINO JONGAs with 4 Speed Transmission. Did they use the 1 Ton gearbox ??? As far as I know 1 Ton has a single speed transfercase. Please enlighten me on this




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