Honda Jazz - Reports on prices being slashed by 1.74 lacs from post 83 onwards

Estate/Station wagon - Cars like Indigo marina, Tata estate

Hatchback - Tata indica, Swift

Size ka difference.

Answer is a categorical 'Yes'.

Hey Ameen,

Honda Jazz and Honda City share a platform...

Similarly Indigo and Indigo Marina share a platform...

So why call Jazz a hatchback and Marina an estate? Jaundiced by official terminology?

Binoy, Wikipedia's differentiation between an estate is based on an ambiguous point ...a hatchback's back door is inclined, whereas an estate's is not..Jazz's is NOT.  And I pray to you to kindly enlighten the heathen masses by spelling out the difference, rather than toss out a mystic 'Yes'!

Well here i guess the 'masses' does not need enlightment as the doubt arises from a single quarter. I would first like to question the logic behind the need of having two separate names(estate/station wagon and hatchback) if in reality both meant the same.

Here is the webster definition of the estate car/station wagon and here it is for the hatchback.

As it is evident the 'hatch back' describes a car with a 'hatch' at the rear-which apparently both types have but the essential difference is that the estate is elongated(larger)-simple.

Put in another perspective- a single platform can spawn a sedan a hatchback and an estate but the difference is that the hatchback will be smaller than both the sedan and the estate(the latter usually the same length if not longer than the sedan).

Again the Jazz is not an estate-period

Well, I'm as unsure about where a discussion stops and argument ensues, as I am about the length at which a Hatchback stops being a hatchback and should be called an Estate . So I'll let it be. My real point was car Mfrs. have been treating India unfairly, in terms of pricing as well as choice and features. It is only of late, that the attitude is changing... Making a virtue of necessity?...

welll i dnt c anything wrong in Hyundai selling both Accent n Verna instead of replacing it ....

whats the point if the sales r pretty decent wid both of them ?...

In India ,companies at times dnt want to loose out on whats selling already...which is infact not wrong.......n we shud we complain....d benefit is ours..we get more options to choose frm !....likewise..even the WagonR has been replaced by the Splash.....bt In India it'll b here as the Ritz.....ders no point stopping the WagonR...its selling well...

Just that the new model gets pegged a few notches higher than it would be if it were replacing the older model like in other markets... Ever compared prices of the same model in India and out of India...? Then you would know the meaning of 'ripoff''...

We dont have to let any discussion end prematurely. Everyone is free to express their opinions here.

Please explain the meaning of 'ripoff'.

A product would be launched in the market looking at the 'taste and needs' of that particular market. The needs and the highlights which Indians would look at would be totally different from what it is outside. In that way Indians are not fooled or cheated or given some crap car.

Prices cant be compared because of the 'tax' thing.

Ami, take for example recent introduction of Honda Civic Hybrid - The car was priced so rediculously high that it negated all advantage of fuel savings because of the high FE of the car (Premium was >> lifetime fuel savings for the car) If the USP of the car is taken away through an absurd positioning, you are only catering to a high-margin niche, who is interested in the car not for it's features, but for the 'status' it conferrs on the buyer. I consider this positioning as a ripoff. When cars made in Japan and Korea transported over ~20k km by sea can be sold in US at almost half price as compared to their Indian counterparts, I would call that ripoff. Go figure specific examples for your amusement / indignation

That car doesn't come under the popular category. So I would say why care about pricing.

Also the company did offer massive discounts at the end to sell it off.

There is a concept of CBU - completely built unit. Where the taxes are quite high.

Also, such cars are are for a target of niche people. So I would say that can be treated as an example.

You can even add the case of Fiat 500 which was also priced likewise.