Water4gas India

Krishna,

Following are the main errors in your calculation.

1. You have considered the clarific value and density of Hydrogen but the Hydroxy / Mileage booster is generating HHO i.e. two molecule of Hydrogen and one molecule of Oxygen.

2. You have not calculated the claorific value gained from the bruning of the Petrol / Diesel, which normally goes out of engine, unburnt.

3. You have not claculated the energy gain due to reduction in friction loss. As mentioned earlier the Hydroxy gas helps removing the old carbon deposit and reduces the friction of the system.

4. You have not calculated the power gain because of running the car (with hydroxy) at higher gear in lower speed.

5. Please visit my website and read out FAQ section and my design parameter (open source) and understand the logic of utilizing the wasted heat emitted from the engine. You have not calculated the gain from this waste heat.

Mentioning the post on other thread was necessary because after giving explanation to you many time, you are unable to understand. Also I dont have time to type the same thing time and again. Dig out the old post and read.

I wish to inform you that I am writing here to bring the awareness on this technology in India. I am already member at various form and does not have much time for to kill the time again and again on same issue

You are always coming with the half backed calculation or with biased thinking about this technology. Earlier also I have informed you that test out the technology then only make the comment.

Trust the above is clear to you. Test and tell.

Regards

Praveen

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Praveen, wake up, think and answer, don't sleep-walk!

1. Calorific value tells what energy release is obtained after burning the specified amount of FUEL. Here Hydrogen is the fuel. It is assumed that all required oxygen for the complete combustion of fuel is available while arriving at calorific value. If I take into account that only 2/3rd of the gas is Hydroge, I will have to REDUCE the calorific value accordingly. In effect, you are shooting yourself in the foot with this point.

2. Modern fuel-injected engines take care to balance the air-fuel ratios, timing etc to burn almost all the fuel. If you read some fuel-efficiency dedicated websites, the amount of unburnt fuel is put at ~2% maximum for modern fuel injected engines. Even assuming that this super-duper technology burns ALL the unburnt fuel, the increase in mileage will be ~2%, not 20 to 30%, isn't it? And yes, how do you run a car with 3 lpm of hydrogen with a 95:5 mixture of water and petrol, considering the hydroxy gas only 'helps fuel burn efficiently'? that's just 5% of fuel of what is available to normal cars then. Certainly you do not mean 95% of fuel is wasted by cars! Do you?

3. 4. Claims are vague, with no evidence, or logical explanation for the claims. Won't interest me or anyone else unless you explain clearly what is the loss due to those 'deposits'. It is not as if the insides of cylinder are coated with deposits like a scaled-up boiler tubes. The 'higher gear low speed gain' point is vague to the point of being incomprehensible.

5. 'Gain from waste heat...'? Did you mean "Loss from waste heat..."? The passage of enormous current through the HHO generator causes additional heat, so we are talking about extra heat generated. Where do you 'save energy' by utilizing waste heat? Stop clutching at straws, concede.

What in my calculations was half baked? In fact you are trying to feed wrong info by saying that HHO calorific value would be HIGHER than pure Hydrogen, which is belony.

If you don't have enough time, say you cannot substantiate your claims, and go away. Do not trash people randomly and troll for visitors to your site without even bothering to satisfy basic questions about the mumbo jumbo that you practice in the name of fuel efficiency.

Krishna,

Please leave this as I dont have time to make you understand as you in are Baba-adam world. If you want to know about me, please go through following page

http://panacea-bocaf.org/praveenvarma.htm

This is a non profit organization and we all are working on these technology. It hardly matters to me whether you are satisfied or not because I know the truth and have lot of work to do.

Only thing which i can do is to ask my some of the customer to give the testimonial here in this forum.

Regards

Praveen

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Yes, this was totally anticipated, because you had time for 26 lengthy posts till now, but when I asked you to explain some very plain calculations that clearly show impossibility of any substantial gains using the HHO stuff, you suddenly don't have any time. All the inputs I had for the calculations I submitted were derived from your posts and wikipedia, so I am clear on that front.

The website and related references particularly Sterling D. Allen related ones are all dyed in the same wool, and are highly suspect, considering their disguised claims about perpetual motion machines. Thanks, but No, thanks for the links! Go con somebody else!

I would strongly suggest you to take up this thread and this context whenever you find time to post on this topic on this forum. Otherwise we can straightaway draw a conclusion that you are here to fish for some more hapless victims of HHO.

Thanks for being busy elsewhere in the meantime!

PS: PLEASE DO NOT POST TESTIMONIALS OF YOUR CUSTOMERS ON THE FORUM, AS IT IS AGAINST THE GUIDELINES OF THE FORUM. Maybe inconvenient for you, but rules are rules!

Yes I wrote 26 long post to give the details on this technology. I am finding only yourself is unable to understand it. No issue man it happens ... dont try to understand as it is beyond your reach.

The customer testimonial is not because I wanted to promote my product. You can build the same by following the instruction from my website. The testimonial is for the support of this technology and making an last attempt if it can go in you biased mind.

Regards

Praveen

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Grow up kids..  Does this in any way apprear professionals talking???  It only makes me feel what I am doing on this forum??

Moderator.. Your comments please.

Hi Anjeel,

I share the same feeling, which you have. In fact I am also thinking what I am doing on this forum?

Regards

Praveen

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@Anjeel - I just needed some clarifications about the HHO stuff Praveen has been vaguely discussing about. What I presented was an analysis of the energy contents involved in HHO assisted operation of vehicles. I received NO response on the calculations but got an unsolicited assessment of my IQ. And it went downhill from there. Praveen has never responded on the figures I presented in the calculations.

Sterling D. Allen and his web of 'Free Energy' technologies quoted is really pseudo-science. There is not a single mainstream application of any one of the inventions dealt with either on PESwiki or the Panacea website, in spite of these people working on the gizmos for a lifetime. It is a shame to call the people working on that stuff 'scientists'.

Should I mean everyone on the forum reading this thread has quite well understood how HHO works? What is the basis of this assumption? Why is this OK?

Note that Praveen has found time to respond to my post and even taunt me on my abilities. But calculations...? Just don't talk about it!!

Just a breakup of energy contents of the fuel and HHO in an HHO assisted use case would work fine, I don't need testimonials. I have seen clearly on the comments on the Popular Mechanics article that HHO is a cult-like phenomenon, where false testimonials can be given by people involved. It can be through deceit or a deep desire for the technology to really work because several people have invested significant time, effort and money in this. I consider it Stockholm Syndrome in working.

As long as Praveen does not present any numerical analysis of the technology, I consider myself vindicated. What sort of scientist needs to be provoked with trash talking to really reveal how the technology works? Particularly when it is touted to be 'Open Source'?

dear all

I has stared this thread as I was doing the research on this technology.then I feel this thing requires lot of RnD and due to regular activities I do not have time to spare for this. But I am very happy that thread started by me reaches to this level. 

I want to clear some points   I  got in touch with Praveen ( he stays very near to me ) and bought two kits from him. I had installed these kits on two cars and following are the results.

In my van I could not fit the kit as I seen the voltage gets drop and battery gets drain. This is because the alternator is not designed to take such a load. This happens to us in Kolhapur also. Now I have to change alternator with zen/esteem and then I can use mileage booster.

In the mean time I convey this info to other friends. which are as below:

1 Maruti Esteem (LPG)

This car mileage was 10 km per liter and increased to 12.5 km per liter with excellent power.

2 Tata Indica Zeta Petrol

This kit I have given to one of my friend. His car mileage was 12 km per liter and with kit it has been increased to 18 m per liter.

So I wish to inform you that this technology work. If those who are not interested and does not want to understand then please leave this thread and let it go smoothly.

The best thing to test the booster is to calculate LPM and test the gas by flamme test ( be careful it is H2 )

The best part of praveen booster is its simple SS316 design. The website is open for all with DIY procedure. But belive me guys the end cost will be more than praveen.