Water4gas India

Dear Moderator,

With regards to the hiding the mail ID, contact numbers etc in the forum. I wish to inform you that in today world the person connected and uses the internet on regular basis can be found out very easily. For expample search my name "Praveen varma" on goolge. On the first page itself you will find 9 results out of 10 linking to me. Almost all the results have my contact details. Then what is the purpose of such moderation. Let the people should talk and share the things freely.

Now look at the following

http://www.carwale.com/Used/CarDetails-car-S40746.html

This is the advertisement placed by Prakash on your website only. Surprisingly his contact numbers are listed there. With today cost of STD / ISD, I can pretty well get in touch with Prakash.

You are doing a good work by providing this space but please relook on your rules and guidlines because many people are not liking the sites which hides the information.

Regards

Praveen

Praveen,

In reference to Prakash... he (like many others) has listed his car for sale at CarWale (different section) - it has nothing to do with the forums here.

Rules & Guidelines for participating in the Forums are based on various observations/experiences - it may or may not be appreciated by a few.

The discussion on HHO is indeed interesting - you may please continue within the framework of Rules & Guidelines.  Please take note of other aspects too (for instance: edit remark in your post 168).

That's it. No offence meant

Dear Pankaj,

Thanks for your post. I agree with your point on post number 168 about my remark(edited by you). This happens sometime and its is cool.

Look I have created a website to bring awareness on the Hydroxy technology here in India. If some member is asking the question and if the reply is already listed on my website then it is advisable to direct him to website. It is very difficult to type the same thing time and again and I think that is what the purpose of having compiled information.

Anyways that is your forum and your policy. My intention to inform you that in todays world hiding the identity of any person is simply not possible. Like on your website itself complete details of Prakash is available. So what is the point in hiding the information here.

I am member in over 20 forums worldwide (watercar, Hydroxyonly, Hydroxy, fireinthewater, waterfuelforall, hydrogentechnology, danieldingel etc etc) and keep on sharing my experience and assisting others in development of this technology. No where I have found such regulation.

I know this post is completely off topic but it is worth to have a look on the same as this will increase the more traffic to your site and the forum will be user friendly.

Regards

Praveen

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I reiterate my post #156 addressed to you earlier...

Hi Anjeel,

Thanks for your information.

I am surprised to note that you are running the booster at 55-70 volts and 6 amps on 2 set of 3 series cell connected in parallel. If we will take the equal distribution of voltage then each cell is getting around 20 volts and 6 Amps. As I know the voltage required to break the water molecule is around 2-2.5 volts. In ideal condition the voltage required is 1.24 volts but 07-0.9 volts is for overcoming the system resistance. Any voltage over and above 2 volts per cell wasted into heating the water. Any way if the things work for you then it is ok. But I request to check the water temperature with constant 4 hours operation? I always test my booster with 13.8 volts and 10 Amps current for constant 4 hours operation and water temperature never goes beyond 60 deg centigrade.

Secondly you have mentioned that you are injecting 2.5 liters of gas to your Wagon R. To my mind you are injecting too much gas to your engine. We have collected lot of data on various cars worldwide and observed that 1 liter per minute per 1000 cc of engine is good enough for mileage gain. Also in some cases we have noticed that more Hydroxy may reduce the mileage of the car. So try out with around 1 - 1.5 lpm maximum.

Regards

Praveen 

1. I have tried several combinations from 1-3 ltr hydroxy/min. voltage from 13.2-150volts, amps from 6-55.  Yet if you ask me what the best setting, I do not know.

2. I am comfortable with Hydroxy inlet as close to the intake manifold as possible however to ensure safety I am only comfortable to set the intake just before the air filter. That means on the intake mouth of the air cleaner.  Since the other end of the air cleaner body is open there is no chance to trap Hydroxy in any case.  It either gets consumed or gets discharged in the atmosphere.

3. My Generator is in the boot of the car and not in the engine compartment.  As also mentioned earlier, I use two bubblers each having atleast 7 inches of water bath with one bubbler in the boot and another one in the engine compartment.

4. Additionally I use Flash arrestor which is about 6 inches long with compact bronze wool in the middle– about 3.5 inches long and towards both ends I use dry rice grains (Because dried rice grain do not easily catch fire but smoke away in case of a bad day.  

5. With all the above jargon and having HHO travel from the boot of the car to the combustion chamber and that too at just under 5 psi, anything like 1-1.5ltr of production could not even blink eyes of my power-train and no results were gained.  So I decided to increase the production of gas by increasing the surface area of plates.

6. At 13.5v and amps varying between 10-50amps I tried increasing size of plates from 35 sq inches to 75 sq inches I tried various combis like –NN++NN- and ---NNN+++NNN--- and many more styles.  None of these combinations I can say was perfect.  There was no stability of gas production.

7. I designed a PWM to pulse the volts, it helped a bit but not great enough.  I also added a resonator, this also helped just a bit.  If I moved the Generator to engine compartment there was hardly any room to install or maintain on regular basis.

8. Then I decided to do it the other way and Stepped up the production to 3 ltrs.  From here you can follow what happened in the number of posts that came along.

Hi Anjeel,

Thanks for your post. My views are as given below:

1. The best setup is to run the device at 13.5-13.8 volts. This is because when the altenator is charging the barrery then the battery deliver 13.5-13.8 volts. The current should be based on the engine size. My device produces between 800 - 1000 ml per minute at 13.8 volts and 10 Amps. Hence for 1000 cc engine one need to setup 10-12 Amps. During the longer operation / long drive the current goes maximum upto 16-18 Amps.

2. Never connect the gas outlet to intake manifold because gas does not mix properly with the air at that point. I agree with your theory of having connection before air filter or top of air filter. Only in case of Turbo diesel, I give the connection between air filter and air compressor, as I got best results here.

3. I dont recommend to use the booster into the boot space. I always prefer to avoid this until unless there is no space available inside the engine compartment.

In todays car the boot space is connected to the pessenger area. If some thing goes wrong to the device then there will be panic in pessenger area.

It is a nice practice to use the two bubbler but the mishappening can be done because of some spark / other issue at device itself.

4. The use of flash arrestor is good thing as we are increasing one more safety device. We had discussed and tested out the effect of flash arrestor and found that it does not help in arresting the fire because of higer speed of flame front travel of Hydroxy. To my mind the bubbler is the best device to use for protecting the booster from back fire.

5. I will think through for this point and reply.

6. Noramally you should have 2-4 sq inch of plate surface area for each ampere of current however you can lowest reading of 1 sq inch per amp. Below 1 sq inch per amp your plate will start corroded and water become brown.

However the variation of current from 10-50 amps is too high. The current increase should not be more then 8-10 amps from the initial current setting.

The best configuration is 2 set of 6 series cell connected in parallel. With this setup you should get around 800 - 1000 ml per minute with 13.8 volts and 10 Amps without heating up the water.

7. In brute force electrolysis the PWM hardly improves the gas production. If we need to use the PWM then we should use with proper resonance frequency. In the brute force PWM can be used for current limiting etc.

8. So you are planning to inject 3 lpm on 1000 cc engine. Just try this and let us share.

Regards

Praveen

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This Praveen guy is joking! The technobabble was kind of over the top, so I did some calculations -

Hydrogen density at atmospheric pressure is 0.09 gm/liter => 3lpm is 270 mg/min.= 270 micro kg/min

Lower Heating Value of Hydrogen is 121 MJ/kg as opposed to petrols 44.4 MJ/kg

So 270 micro kg will give 270 * 121 = 32670 J = 0.03267 MJ, which is equivalent to 0.736 gm petrol/min. That is the quantity being gained out of the hydroxy gas use at 3 lpm (assuming it was totally hydrogen, which is not the case, practically it should be lower than that). Nobel prize worthy...? I don't think so!

This gain at what expense? 13.8V, 10 Amp (lets take lower value even when 16-18 amp is being talked about). This is 138 J/sec => 8280 J/min Taking overall close loop conversion efficiency of an internal combustion engine, alternator  etc to be 25% (not unreasonable by any count), the resultant extra input power required to generate this 3 lpm hydroxy gas is 8280/0.25 = 33120 J which is HIGHER than the energy content in the hydroxy gas calculated above at 32670 J!!!

And this man talks about 95% water and 5% gas to run a car!

The reson of mileage gain using Hydroxy is being explained in post #126 (page 13) in your thread "How to improve mileage of Honda City (current: 18 kmpl; goal: 23 kmpl)?".

Even if you cant understand the logic then please leave this topic because it is beyond your IQ level and your inability to understand the technical issues. I suggest to continue with your tricks to increase the mileage on your Honda city. Oh ya .. you can remove the roof the car and put a trapoline sheet to reduce the weight of the vehicle. This may give some mileage gain. In fact Pankaj, in his post #134 (page 14) in your thread "How to improve mileage of Honda City (current: 18 kmpl; goal: 23 kmpl)?" said correctly that

"I never use pulse & glide method of driving or any other tactics/methods you have been using/following.  Reason being - no offence meant - the mileage derived by you is not mileage in the real sense (obviously).  It is only a statistical pleasure."

Regards

Praveen

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Praveen, Tell me where I am wrong in the energy calculations here, and don't use diversionary tactics like "go read other post" - there are a lot of unsubstantiated claims in that post, which is why I tended to ignore you on the other threads, and even in this.

But you seem to go on and on without substantiation and claim to pull mileage improvements like a bunny out of a conjurer's hat. Stop doing that and people could possibly start respecting you. Trashing others saying they have low IQ and quoting others out of context does not cut it!

PS: Don't include direct quotes from just the preceding post - This is a common etiquette followed on this forum.