Water4gas India

Thanks Pankaj / Karan.  I receive 100s of mails and it is not possible for me to reply to each one of them and that is the reason I insist replying only on forums.  In a way it helps me too, as i support critics and that helps me improve upon my work too.

@Prakash:  the shortcoming you are talking about, is this about the bubbler cap and its anchor towards the end and the tube, from Ozzie’s magic book?  if so, you can just forget about it.  In my experiments, I did not find any use of it.  The reason Ozzie mentioned the bubbler cap, is to allow atmospheric air to bubble at the bottom of the water bath in order to create turbulence so that the Hydroxy gas does not stick to the cell in the event of low production.  (in any case if the gas production is low it is already a flop show).  If you are doing this test in India, thank the local authorities for the “great Indian roads” the jerks of which give you an automatic answer to this doubt. (Once again, that book is not enough, and that cell - the glass jar,  he talked about is just to give you an idea on the process). Put that jar to better use like storing “Dadi ma ka Achaar”..  For the benefit of all here, once piece of free advice,  Do a search on the UTube on exploding HHO and see the devastating videos posted.

I have not tested the PVC Enhancer unit yet. Was not convinced with the idea in the first place. Guys please share your opinion on this.  Has anyone tried the PVC unit as yet, Thanks in advance to all who tested this and will give their opinion here.

On the other hand if it is talking about managing the Oxygen signals, Check valves, Or even the scan gauge II (not applicable in OBD Class I - most Indian cars under 6lacks) we can discuss this further.

I am not against or in favour of HHO, but I think this makes an interesting reading:

http://aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

Please read the "challenge" and all navigation links at the end of the main page.

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interesting .....specially the part that that points out abt "scam sites" n "BUnch of Lies"...

hehe...

cheers !

Last couple of days I have read this link given above several times and discussed with some of the key experts too.  First I must thank for this link as I have not come across so much clear information before.  I am convenienced that this HHO stuff is just another SCAM !!

This reading makes me beleive that the fuel mileage improvement I have been getting so far was only due to choking the Petrol supply by way of modifying the MAP sensors, Lambda adjustment by adding spacer units under O2 sensor and like.  It could not have been due to Hydroxy / HHO.

I have done more than enough 10K+ km road test and I do not need to do any more tests however I would still like to do one more test and that is to keep the modified electronics in place and not switching on the Hydroxy fuel cell.  If the mileage improvement still remains the same, then it means this Hydroxy gas / HHO is all crap and does not work

@Anjeel, we sincerely look forward to your findings/observations on the test.

Thanks in advance

1st National Meet (CW Forums) at Mumbai on 19-20th Dec.'09. Check invitation & details at http://www.carwale.com/forums/viewthread-10791.html, and confirm your participation by 15/11/'09.

Sure pankaj, It will take a while though, has to wait till I get back home around May/June this year..

Sure, take your time.

Going by your earlier participations, posts etc., I'm sure your findings will be unbaised - and, therefore, we look forward to it.

1st National Meet (CW Forums) at Mumbai on 19-20th Dec.'09. Check invitation & details at http://www.carwale.com/forums/viewthread-10791.html, and confirm your participation by 15/11/'09.

The best way to check is to remove the gas tube from your vehicle, fit it on an old caburetor type maruti's air intake when it is idling and see if any change in the rpm.

BTW you can make this gas without soda, using just plain water at just about 2.5Amps. I have not checked the litre per minute rate, but it is not much. The setup was a temporary one but I connected the gas to an old Maruti, but did not show any change in rpm. I will now connect to my scooter and see the result. Since you have a working unit it will be easy for you to check.

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Thanks Josesh

There is a trick here and I decided not to trust the RPM drop method.  The reason is that in my kit, apart from the "Hydroxy generation fuel cell" there are three main modificatoins.  1)  Added resistence to the MAP sensor by way of potentiometer, 2) 0.5V extra addtion to the Oxygen signal so as to trick the Lambda adjust and 3) a spacer unit placed under the O2 sensor, that means increased the hight of the sensor by 15mm, so avoid it sensing the extra oxygen that comes form the Hydroxy gas mixture.

Now the moment I switch on my electronics - Mainly the MAP adjust there is an increase in the RPM and initially I thought this has done the trick and most of the old time gurus used to state that increase in RPM means your kit is working, but the fact is, "this is even before I fireup the fuel cell",  so in other words, in my personal opinion increase in RPM is not a true test as this increase in RPM must happen with Hydroxy entering the combustion chamber.   However I noticed this increase in RPM even before it began to produce any gas.  It is simply an eye wash.  But frankly this is only my opinion based on the tests that I did and gave me reason to beleive that we must find alternate way to figure out if the kit is working or not.  

Ironically there have been 2 instances when I got absolutely fantastic mileage, but since it did not happen too often, i concluded that perhapse there was a mistake in a true tank fill up.  During those days I used to top up the tank every 150 km so you can imagine that even if you put 2 liters of fuel less, you think you got great results, in my opinion the mileage improvement has to be consistent to claim the unit working..

I am too eager to come back home and resume my tests, but unfortunately since this is not my primary line of work, it needs to wait a while.

Anjeel, Since you have already modified components on the engine, the rpm method may give false results as you said. That is the reason i request you to try it on a carburetored vehicle without any modifications. That should give the verdict. The aardvark link was posted by me but the login didn't work properly at that time (server freeze?). If you have the time and patience please check this forum too: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/watercar/messages/1?l=1 need to login with your yahoo account. There are about 50,000 posts. Expand to read full. It is just a forum but you can read views for and against watercar.