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#11 14-Jan, 2008 09:12 PM
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Posted by Kvsk Prasad

Well, I agree that fiat is certainly more peppy, but, it also guzzles on petrol mate - gives mileage of 9kmpl at the best. Yes it is tough - but, I am sure you will agree that it needs maintenance - come what may - and when it comes to maintenance, it is a huge drawback - all arguments end there - if not for the pain one has to take maintaining it - even with tie-up with Tata Motors, it would certainly have been the king of hatchbacks (save mileage aspects).

Swift outsells Palio because of the maintenance chores - it is so bad that you see more than 2 Swift ZXis for every palio sport - Do you think people are blind??

Prasad. I am in complete agreement with your thoughts.

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#12 14-Jan, 2008 10:29 PM
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Again it does us no good to compare a Palio 1.6 with a Swift Zxi 1.3 - why not compare it with a Palio 1.1?  The list can go on. 

So you can only compare so much - a 1.6 will perform like a 1.6, and have lower fuel economy.   It cannot match a 1.3 engine, just like a 1.3 engine cannot match the 1.1.   Palio Stile 1.1 gives a 13-15 average.

Most Indian buyers have so far been about cost consciousness - hence the Maruti 800s, Swifts and Nanos will always outsell the others.

Definitely the Palio's sales have been hurt by the Fiat past - but the distinguishing buyer can look beyond that.

That said, I am quite sure in the first half of this year, Fiat will release the Stile with their popular 1.3 engine that is used in the Swift.



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#13 15-Jan, 2008 09:08 AM
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Posted by Suryanarayan Ganesh

Again it does us no good to compare a Palio 1.6 with a Swift Zxi 1.3 - why not compare it with a Palio 1.1?  The list can go on. 

So you can only compare so much - a 1.6 will perform like a 1.6, and have lower fuel economy.   It cannot match a 1.3 engine, just like a 1.3 engine cannot match the 1.1.   Palio Stile 1.1 gives a 13-15 average.

Most Indian buyers have so far been about cost consciousness - hence the Maruti 800s, Swifts and Nanos will always outsell the others.

Definitely the Palio's sales have been hurt by the Fiat past - but the distinguishing buyer can look beyond that.

That said, I am quite sure in the first half of this year, Fiat will release the Stile with their popular 1.3 engine that is used in the Swift.

Fiat palio stile will come with 1.3 L multijet diesel engine and not petrol engine , and the fuel economy of both 1.1 and swift 1.3 is almost similiar , but the Swift has an edge over the fiat palio

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#14 15-Jan, 2008 09:32 AM
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Another point which affects is that even in the pre-used car market Maruti cars tend to have an edge over Fiat cars. Spares for Maruti are a little cheaper as compared to FIAT spares. More importantly procuring spares itself could be a problem with FIAT vehicles which are not being sold currently.

If i am not wrong then in most of the bigger cities finding a good mechanic for servicing a Palio should not be a problem. However there is always a WHAT IF on your mind.

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#15 15-Jan, 2008 10:08 AM
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Another point which affects is that even in the pre-used car market Maruti cars tend to have an edge over Fiat cars. Spares for Maruti are a little cheaper as compared to FIAT spares. More importantly procuring spares itself could be a problem with FIAT vehicles which are not being sold currently.

If i am not wrong then in most of the bigger cities finding a good mechanic for servicing a Palio should not be a problem. However there is always a WHAT IF on your mind.

Bhushan

Yeh Bhushan is right , i would first select the Swift  , followed by the palio , though palio is very good , i still feel swift is better as you have mentioned it in your choices

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#16 15-Jan, 2008 10:19 AM
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While it is true that maruti has an edge over fiats over the resale price (comparing showroom to reslae ratio), it also remains a fact that almost all Fiat owners are very passionate and in absolute awe of their cars. I am yet to meet a fiat owner who cribs about his car even a wee bit.  If someone wants a car for enjoying it to the hilt, its Fiat. It is peppy, super smooth, sturdy built, and will not ask much maintainnace. true when it does ask for maintiance it will cost more than a maruti but you wont really find mcuh problems with fiat cars and their parts.

However, if you want a practical car, that is fuel efficient, low on maintainance, good reslae value then obviously no one can match maruti. These are the primary consideration for an Indian buyer and hence maruti sells way more than fiat.

On the other hand fiat sells less becuase of its own so called "strategies". First, they did not have a proper service set-up. Now they have a tie-up with Tata which takes care of the service issue, but the car is now sold by tata guys. They obviously want to sell indica more than palio. Hence no real push comes from a dealer to sell a palio. in spite of all researches, advices etc. the dealer plays a very important role in selling a prticular car. that is where Fiat takes the biggest hit. Given this scenario, even if palio sales are half of swift sales, it speakes volumes about the quality of the car.


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#17 15-Jan, 2008 10:47 AM
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Yeh Himanshu is right

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#18 15-Jan, 2008 10:54 AM
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Posted by Himanshu Singh
While it is true that maruti has an edge over fiats over the resale price (comparing showroom to reslae ratio), it also remains a fact that almost all Fiat owners are very passionate and in absolute awe of their cars. I am yet to meet a fiat owner who cribs about his car even a wee bit.  If someone wants a car for enjoying it to the hilt, its Fiat. It is peppy, super smooth, sturdy built, and will not ask much maintainnace. true when it does ask for maintiance it will cost more than a maruti but you wont really find mcuh problems with fiat cars and their parts.

However, if you want a practical car, that is fuel efficient, low on maintainance, good reslae value then obviously no one can match maruti. These are the primary consideration for an Indian buyer and hence maruti sells way more than fiat.

On the other hand fiat sells less becuase of its own so called "strategies". First, they did not have a proper service set-up. Now they have a tie-up with Tata which takes care of the service issue, but the car is now sold by tata guys. They obviously want to sell indica more than palio. Hence no real push comes from a dealer to sell a palio. in spite of all researches, advices etc. the dealer plays a very important role in selling a prticular car. that is where Fiat takes the biggest hit. Given this scenario, even if palio sales are half of swift sales, it speakes volumes about the quality of the car.

ya ur right, The fiat palio 1.6 is a better car cause it's a rally car... although the suspension is not that great, the roar , grip & feel is just awesome



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#19 15-Jan, 2008 12:09 PM
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Posted by Bhushan MSN

Well i am not sure about this steel quality of Fiat. But one thing whay i could say is that instead of 1.6 DOHC i think Fiat should have come up with 1.6 SOHC / 1.3 DOHC. No doubt with DOHC performance is enhanced. But the mileage seems to have taken a hit. Even DOHC with little less power (say 90bhp) would have been fine. I am sure with their expertise in making class setting engines this should be piece of cake for Fiat.

Also kerb weight of Palio 1.6 is 1060 whereas for Swift ZXI is 1010. So Palio is 50kgs heavier.

Another associated problem is that with 100bhp+ power and safety features absent (no ABS/Airbag option also) we cannot really term Palio 1.6 rates high on safety. This i feel is little like the case of Getz CRDI. No doubt the thrill is there. Currently 1.6 is 4.45 lacs ex-showrrom. With these safety features, climate control and other frills this should definitely become 5.5 lacs ex-showroom. So if you look at comparing ZXI spec matching 1.6 Sports, the ZXI wins hands down on mileage.

Ofcourse when it comes to build quality i think Palio scores over Swift handsomely. Also Palio scores when requirement is of good rear seating space and good boot space.

Bhushan

Mate,

With a DOHC you tend to get more mileage !!! Infact VVT is even better - unfortunately the damn thing is so expensive that most manufacturers in India choose to go for it only in high end cars.



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#20 15-Jan, 2008 12:28 PM
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You are right. I actually had the size in mind (1.6L) while writing. DOHC is actually designed to give better output. Thanks for pointing it out.

An associated problem is that with all this the weight goes up and if the engine is not mated with decent gear box then mileage would not be good anyways. So in my opinion mileage is primarily (but not entirely) decided by the engine size. There are too many other facors which impact mileage.

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