Search for a new hatch begins - Ford Figo Delivered !!

Arun,

3 lakh + is a distant dream. I dont think its possible. Its the old TDI engine.

Toyota sales person told me that Liva diesel is turbo charges with inter cooler, same technology used in Innova & Corolla. Is it true?? How does the inter cooler help ?? Also, I dont find many Liva on road even when they have enough stocks at showrooms. he even offerred me 2011 Liva diesel with a 10K discount. i asked that if Liva diesel is selling like hot cakes (which he claimed earlier), how come he has a 2011 model lying with him.

He was 1st stumped, but immediately said that" sir, dec 2011 mein jo gaadi aayi thi wohi reh gayi kyuki customer jan model mangte hai"

Sarthak,

I am worried about Figo`s ground clearance too.  I loved the Liva but its so so bare basic.  

@manish

Brief explanation of working of Intercooler along with Turbo:

Diesel engine works best if a lot of air (oxygen) is available in engine cylinder as it will help in complete burning of the fuel thereby releasing more energy (and lower emissions). To meet this end, a Turbocharger is used which force-inducts a large volume of air into the cylinder.

Now, this force induction process heats up the air leading to a fall in density of air (lower density will result in lower volume of available air (oxygen) for combustion, thereby defeating the very purpose of Turbocharger). Here the intercooler comes in.

The intercooler as the name suggests, lies intermediate between Turbo and Engine Cylinder and cools the air coming from turbo before sending it to cylinder. Thus the air becomes more dense leading to effective combustion of diesel fuel.

Yes, the Liva and Etios are using the Altis Powertrain lifted from Altis with only change being that of employing a FGT instead of a VGT in Altis.

Interiors are putting off a lot of people from buying Liva.

Do a thorough test drive of Figo. Take it to all those roads that you drive on. Its not a huge problem. Just you need to be careful.

my 9 yr old second owner santro which had run 90k and after a major body accident repair was taken for exchange for 1.25 lakhs.  Being a diesel, yours should have better re-sale even if its a tata. Check the same cars price with used car dealers in your area. Best way to get an indication of your cars price. I think the TDI is quite reliable and known to clock lakhs - used by taxis right?

regarding Liva, I am not sure about the intercooler but review reports mention that'cost cutting is evident' in the interiors. This car is relatively new in the market and not much info. Also like you said, it is quite 'bare an basic' and not many cars on the road. The fact that the dealer has 2011 models in his stockyard is note worthy. Even i20 diesels have waiting period of about 2 months. ASC is also limited and not well known.

IMO, safer to go with the figo and yes, GC is low but I think it is manageable. You can also check the user reviews in this forum. Not many for the liva though.

Which fiesta are you referring to? The fiesta classic and figo use the SAME engine and induction system. And also, there is no intercooler on either the Fiesta Classic or the Figo. Simple borg warner turbo + DPF for E4 versions.

Agree to this. Apart from GC issue, I dont think the car will give you any trouble till at least 80k km. So, if GC can be kept aside, the Figo will be the best choice.

AFAIK, Taxis prefer the old school IDI engines and that is the reason we find many many Indicabs. Now that emission norms are stricter, the trend is shifting. 

The Etios, is unlike other toyotas and is made for India. So, IMO, they MIGHT not show the durablity of the other toyotas that we see. THough this is not proved positively or negatively, we only have to wait and watch. The Toyota Etios has an FGT while the corolla has a VGT, with the same engine. Intercooler is present in both cars.

Ford sales person told me that the GC of Figo is at par with other competitors like Swift, Vista, i 20 & there is no such issues.

I think I will have to take a gang of 4 ppl alongwith me & test the GC.

Arun,

How should I try & get more value for my old Indigo CS TDI. Its an LS model but we got Pioneer MP3 player = 4 speakers, all 4 Auto Cops power windows & central locking installed from outside which then costed me around 25K. So, 4.75 + 25 K = 5 lakhs was the original cost. what will be its depricated value in the books ?? 

Did you try using the used car evaluator on carwale? That should give a fair idea of what you will be getting

CW shows 2.35 lakh (min) to 3.2 lakh (max) depending on the condition of the car but I think anything 2 lakh + is a good price.

Let me add a couple of points regarding the features:

1. Figo

Apart from having no power windows in the rear, Figo also lacks steering mounted controls for the music system even in the top model (Titanium). They have many other featrues like boot lamp, multi speed intermittent wipers, blootooth pairing etc, though.

2. New Tata Vista.

Tata has apparently studied all the common features in the hatcbacks and tried to incorporate all of them, plus many other additional features, in new Vista. However, I think Vista does not have the following. I am not sure, someone who has verified this or owns a new Vista may comment on this.

a. Boot lamp.

b. I doubt if remote (keyless entry) can open the boot, since there is a lever near driver seat to open it. If boot has to be opened manually by pulling the lever after opening the driver seat door, that means if you come after shopping with hands full and want to keep them in the boot, you will have a hard time.

Otherwise, Vista is ahead of all others in terms of features; you name it Vista has it.

3. Liva

I am not familiar with diesel models. But in petrol many features are missing if you dont go for the top model (or the one below that). And top model is very expensive. I guess same issue will be with diesel variants as well.

4. Ritz

I dont understand why Maruti keeps gaps in their product line. Why can't they have a top model for the diesel variant (Ritz Zdi). What will the customer do if he wants any one of the following features in his Ritz diesel?

a. Airbags

b. Rear wiper + defogger

c. Steering height adjustment

d. Music system with steering mounted controls.

Tomy

We have somewhat narrowed down on Figo TDCI ZXI.

Ford has agreed to 2 lakh for my Indigo but I am negotiating for 2.25 lakh atleast.

Maruti true value is giving 2.10 lakh + 5K for petrol cars + special discounts on various cars they are having.

I was curious that if I go for Swift vxi petrol which is around 5.5 lakhs on road & I get 2.25 lakh for my old Indigo, it comes to 3.25 lakh where as for Figo ZXI TDCI will be 3.75 if I get 2.25 for my old Indigo or 4 lakhs if I get 2 lakhs for my Indigo. So, what should I do ?? I will be opting for finance for atleast 3 lakhs for 3 yrs. I drive close to 1200 kms per month. What should I do ??

Does diesel seems to be the best option ?? 

By all means, go for diesel if your running is 1200 Km per month. You will bleed heavily on fuel spending, if you go for petrol. Petrol prices are likely to increase by another 3 rupees after UP elections, as per the news I saw through a link in another thread.

If you have no issues with the height, ground clearance and the missing features of Figo (which I mentioned), Figo diesel is a very good car. It uses the road proven Fiesta engine. My cousin sold off his Santro (petrol) and bought a Figo Titanium diesel and is very happy with the car (overall) and especially the savings which is taking care of the EMI. Of course his running is slightly higher - 1800 Km per month.

If you save Rs.2.5 per Km on fuel (diesel vs petrol), your annual savings on fuel will be Rs.36000 (Rs. 2.5 x 1200 Km x 12 months) at today's rate. With the continuous increase in petrol price, this will keep going up year after year.

And if the CESS (Rs.80K) on diesel cars is introduced in the next budget, you will regret missing the opportunity which you will lose to buy diesel car before that.

Tomy