Ford IKOn 1.3 Endura problem

Hi Car Lovers,

I have a ford ikon 1.3 Endura with me. It has clocked around 1 Lakh KM. The performance , milage, etc. are still good and I am very much happy with the performance of my car. But recently a problem started. The engine stops when breaks are applied. This doesn't happen every time. But still it happens once in 15/20 breaks. First I thought it was my driving mistake, since I changed my car from Diesel car to petrol car. But when the same thing happend with expert drivers, I visited a garage and as per their suggestion cleaned the throttle sensor and petrol supply channel, replaced the spark plug, etc. But still I am facing the same problem.

Can any one please advise on this.

Thanks in advance.

Manoj Yohannan

Get the idle RPM checked.

is this happening due  to sudden/hard breaking or during general breaking also??

hi ankit/rohit,
thanks for the response.

The probel happens on general breaking also.

Get the idle RPM checked - to me it looks like there is trouble with air flow into the engine. This could involve the following:

1. Air filter - it is very dirty or clogged. Change this as the very first step irrespective of anything else (cheap and simple to do). See if this fixes the problem.
2. The IAC valve is bad - the car's ECU adjusts idle RPM using this valve. So if this valve is faulty jammed, there will be problems with idling. If the car idles fine in neutral (i.e., no jump/surge in RPM or drop in RPM) then this item is probably fine.
3. Throttle body is dirty.
4. Throttle position sensor (TPS) is faulty - relatively rare but if this is bad then you will have problems with acceleration (will be sluggish with sudden surges).
5. The MAF or MAP sensor is bad - rare but can happen.

Air filter and Throttle body wascleaned first, when the problem started. car experienced a sudden surge after the throttle body cleaning. the mechanic told me to change the TPS(he was just trying to spent more money from me). so I consulted another mechanic (based on my friends advise), he asked me to change the spark plug, and the sudden surge disappeared after changing spark plugs. the car do not have any problem in idle(ie; no jump or drop in RPM).  From your suggestion list, it seems that I need to check the MAF sensor.

I have a doubt here, is these kind of problem happens if the petrol filter is dirty.

Before anything (and I forgot to mention it) - ensure that the fuel tank is clean, the fuel pump and its internal filters are in good condition. Next the main fuel filter. These usually don't cause idling problems but its a good idea to get the simple and obvious things out of the way first. See if that fixes the trouble. Next in line would be the TPS and the IAC. IMO sparkplugs will not cause RPM surge - it is usually the TPS.

Hi Guys,

I too own an IKON 13. Endura Patrol, Oct'02 model; it's clocked around 40K & is well maintained from time to time & is in excellent condition.I've recently got the Ignition coil, spark plugs, cables, Brake cylinder-booster & some other things replaced.

Some of the issues on which I seek advice:

1.0 The Speedometer needle keeps shaking, Can I Change the Speedometer, is a new one available in the market (Mumbai) & how much shall it cost; are any backlit ones with glowing needles for IKON available yet.

2.0 Is it possible to fit an RPM meter in the same console (inplace of that unused looking circle having the image of a car).

3.0 How often is the gear/transmission oil supposed to be changed, I'm told it's lifetime -is it really so! Is it possible to get a 75W90 Synthetic gear oil in market & how much shall it be.

4.0 During the rainly season water mysteriously seeps in, wets & collects at the floor matting, although I have never seen it dripping from anywhere. I've got the doors serviced & cleaned including the drain points. I've got it checked at several places including the ford service center but no one has been able to diagnose & resolve the problem. The last resort now is to change all the rubber beadings, although existing beadings look good enough. I don't know if that's going to solve the problem- Are IKON beadings available in the market, how much!

I look forward to hear from anyone who can contribute anything.

regards

Naveen

Speedometer needle keeps shaking? Does it sort of seem to vibrate around the speed it indicates? IMO its probably an issue with the speedo cable or the cup mechanism that drives the needle - probably in need of some lube or adjustment. Speedo unit is not available separately - you will have to purchase the entire instrument cluster...IMO not worth it. It will easily set you back by 3-4 k

RPM meter (tacho) should be possible - on paper at least. Not sure how practical that may be though.

Change the transaxle oil with new oil of the same grade and API rating. Price is about Rs. 200/litre, if I recollect correctly.

Water seepage is due to rusting the the body - especially under the windscreen.

Hi Mr Rohit,

Thanks for your prompt response!

1.0 So on Speedometer are you suggesting that I should get it opened & serviced, any idea who does it around chembur. I have already got the speedo cable changed. And you know these old IKONs do not have backlit type of speedometers - are these now available!

2.0 On the Gear oil I'm told that it is filled for the life of the vehicle, is it true or is it supposed to be changed, if so how often; on the cost of 75w90 synthetic - I was told approx Rs 1000/- per litre as it is Synthetic, by the service center guys.

3.0 thanks for your views on the water seepage - I don't know how I should get is sorted.

regards

Naveen