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#1 25-Feb, 2011 06:28 PM
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I was interested in taking a Tuning box for my Punto 90hp.
I found 5 different tuning chips, a couple of remapping companies.

However I was not sure which 1 to take, how are the gains, what is the effect on Mileage, Long term effects on engine, etc.
So too many questions.
Then tried to google for answers. 
However I found very little info on the same.
I did not find any Dyno charts for any of the products.
So I contacted all these people & told them that I wanted to test them thoroughly.
I told them that we'll be testing them & comparing.

The comparison is to check the

  1. Drivability
  2. Mileage
  3. Performance
  4. In-gear Acceleration
  5. Turbo Lag
  6. Dyno Tests
  7. Acceleration figures 0-10,20...max
  8. Refinement
  9. Pollution - Figures
  10. Overall Feel


Cars we are using for the comparison are -

  1. Punto 90hp
  2. Punto 75hp
  3. Indica Vista Quadrajet
  4. Linea Multijet 90/ Indigo Manza Quadrajet 90


Already I received a couple of boxes.
Testing started on some of the parameters.
Yet to receive the remaining boxes so that the V-box & dyno tests can be started.
Some of the big players are actually not Comfortable in the complete test - reasons are obvious.
Yet we'll try to source them from other means for this comparison.

This article after completion will be the most exhaustive & comprehensive testing on Tuning boxes available currently in India.




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Last Updated: 25-Feb, 2011 06:30 PM, by ProBiker
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#2 25-Feb, 2011 07:47 PM
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Great thread. I'm all eyes, to see what comes next!

BTW, Welcome to CW forums! Hope you enjoy it here, just like us!



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#3 04-Mar, 2011 09:26 PM
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The Pete's Box is a small Tuning box.
It is of the size of a cordless phone.
Fits in under 10 minutes of time.
It slots between the ECU & the CRDI control unit.
Quality of the wiring is good.

Now the most important part - How does the vehicle feel after the installation??

The Answer - Its terrific.
The increase in the power is evident.
The Punto 90 has a tendency to do wheel spins when shifting to second gear.
Now it spins in third gear also.
The vehicle becomes lot quicker off the block.

We tried it on the Vista Quadrajet also.
Even in the less powerful engine it shows the effect.
The 0-60 comes a second quicker than usual.
Even the run to the top speed is lot quicker.
Actual figures will take time.
Till then a synopsis.

Drivability - Lot Better then before
Mileage - dropped by 3kmpl under flat out driving, economy mode showed a marginal increase in 0.3kmpl 
Performance - Good improvement - actual figures - later
In-gear Acceleration - terrific improvement - actual figures - later
Turbo Lag - Reduced by a good margin
Dyno Tests - will take time
Acceleration figures 0-10,20...max - will take time
Refinement - a minor drop - neglegible
Pollution - Figures - will take some time
Overall Feel - this is the last thing to be said here.




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#4 04-Mar, 2011 09:58 PM
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Well, reading your observations, I feel that the the performance (known variously as driveability, pick-up, less turbo lag) has indeed improved - and it is simply the result of the new box changing the fuelling characteristics. This improvement is accompanied by certain complementary negatives like worsened mileage (which is obvious: better acceleration = richer fuel mix = more fuel burnt for the same throttle position). Pollution figures will remain almost unchanged - the ECU will compensate for this. 




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#5 20-Apr, 2011 11:42 AM
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Turbo Lag - Reduced by a good margin

Sorry to revive this thread. Its quite interesting if you could update it. And also, how can turbo lag reduce, that too by a good margin by the use of a tuning box? Isnt turbo lag dependant upon the geometry of the turbo and its size? It could reduce, but I feel by quite a small amount, due to the change in fuelling,




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#6 20-Apr, 2011 04:37 PM
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Sankalp - the turbo lag reduction is not because the remapping has affected the turbo. Indeed the turbo works as it normally does, but since the fuelling now has changed towards better performance, the RPM at which the turbo kicks in is achieved faster giving an impression of reduced turbo lag (lag is the time taken for turbo to spool up, right?)




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#7 21-Apr, 2011 08:28 PM
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That is right but technically, the turbo spools up only when it used to do before. I have petes in my swift and turbo lag is not actually reduced. Accelaration is increased and hence we do not feel the power drop.




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#8 21-Apr, 2011 09:39 PM
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That is another way of saying it...




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#9 08-Jun, 2011 10:58 AM
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Turbo is nothing but a turbine cum compressor. it rotates when the exhaust gases pass through it. if you find a change in the performence of turbo, it just nothing but increased gases passing out. or this box is sending more fuel and in turn more gases are coming out of the exhaust making turbo to start early. It is also very clear from the statement that mileage dropped by this box. 

i did not use it but from the posts it looks like people are being fooled by this box. it is nothing but increase the fuel supply to engine. and give you more power. 

if we get access to the engine control box (MCU) mostly this can be done by changing values in the original system without spending this 28000/-. Request some expert to comment on it



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#10 26-Jun, 2011 10:51 AM
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@ ProBiker, even I was interested in similar kind a thing and came across Drake Tuning Box 2. It would cost around Rs.7500/- and I'll be ordering it via eBay from Italy.

Do you think that's worth it? And what's the cost of the tuning box, you're talking about?




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