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#81 30-Apr, 2008 06:23 PM
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Posted by Binoy Thomas
Thanks Prasad, i too did some reading and this is what i found.Fuel additives include a whole lot of chemical and all of them does not increase octane numbers and there are chemicals that cleans the engine also, have a look at this:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_additive

Also note that none of the major manufacturers(including Mercedes) DONT recommend 'premium fuels'.There are no quality control on the additives that they use and the chance of adulteration will be much higher.


Thanks Binoy - that was a very nice link. Again, I am a bit apprehensive whether in an oil deprived country like India, would we get these additives at a humble bunk in the corner - I don't think so. Most of the oil companies in India are at extreme in terms of losses and cost cutting - I doubt if they ever add any of these additives - but for the few mandatory ones and the ones to increase the octane and cetane levels to suit high performance engines.

What hurts me is this notion among the general public in India that higher Octane fuel is more pure and improves performance and mileage - it is plain myth. Infact, the lower octane fuels are more pure with no additives in them.

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#82 30-Apr, 2008 07:29 PM
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Very true Prasad infact there were issues with the innova when people started using premium fuels in them that toyota sent out a comminique to the owners to only stick with regular diesel.


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#83 06-May, 2008 06:14 PM
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Posted by Pankaj Prasad

@KVSK, actually I had filled tank-full only recently & have driven hardly 150 kms in city - so it will take some time before I refill it - impatiently waiting  

But soon I'm expected to take a long trip (600 kms), and will definitely post my observations. Thanks once again

Last week-end, I happen to undertake the long trip.  I first used-up (almost) the premium diesel for onward journey & on return, refilled the tank with normal diesel.

Regarding noise level, it's just impossible to feel the difference, if any.  Regarding mileage, I would not comment (for the present), as driving condition had changed on return journey (normal diesel) - I had driven down alone & returned with family & luggage (plenty) - so there was a big difference in load of the car. 

But, yes, during similar driving conditions that I had for a few kms, I did feel that car runs a little more smoothly on normal diesel.

Well, but I will revert/confirm my observations & measure the mileage by the month end when I am expected to take a long trip again - I shall refill premium diesel for onward journey & refill with normal one on return (diriving conditions will be same).




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#84 06-May, 2008 06:54 PM
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Pankaj that would be great, could you also mention the brand of fuel that you will be using. Also heard a lot of good with System D...with some maruti service personal(no personal gain i guess for them as it is not sold there ) recommending them..also i fell a new car should be run on normal diesel as using additives will abnormally prolong the 'run in' period of the new engines.


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#85 06-May, 2008 07:02 PM
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I always used IOC premium diesel & refilled IOC normal diesel this/first time.  I propose to do that again.  Regarding System D... yes, I too have heard similar recommendations but have never used it - I will enquire about it from a friend of mine who happens to be Works Manager (local dealer of Tata).  Anyway, let's see, may use it for the test purpose at least.


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#86 08-May, 2008 10:35 AM
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Need a bit of help - system D is a new term here for me - can you help me understand that plz.

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#87 08-May, 2008 10:44 AM
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System D is nothing but additives for the normal diesel fuel..its available in most petrol pumps and is reported by many to be better than the 'branded' diesel that the companies sell..have not personally used it but has heard a lot from friends who have.It has to be manually added to the tank.. i guess its 15ml for a full tank..(not sure about the amount to be added)


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#88 08-May, 2008 01:53 PM
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Me being a user of petrol, I know the petrol equivalent of it - Bardhal Liquid - supposed to clean-up the engines from filth - this also added manually in pretty much similar portions - but I find it useful only for bikes - engines being small and compression ratios being higher in bikes, the tolerance limit to survive in filth is much lesser there.

Incidentally, the fuel I use for my bike and car itself is different - bike being a high compression engine, even the manual says high octane and I hence use 91+octane always. While for my car, compression ratio is lesser and manula says normal petrol of 88 RON - I use normal one for the car.

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#89 08-May, 2008 02:10 PM
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While we are discussing fuels (especially diesels) most of the car manufacturers agree (abeit not on paper) that their Common Rail diesel technology is prone to damage arising from irregular fuel-usage pattern as well as high sulphur diesel. Which translates to use fuel from a trusted bunk supplying good quality fuel. For a consumer though there seems to be no way to measure the same.

Bhushan

 



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#90 08-May, 2008 02:56 PM
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Posted by Bhushan Msn

While we are discussing fuels (especially diesels) most of the car manufacturers agree (abeit not on paper) that their Common Rail diesel technology is prone to damage arising from irregular fuel-usage pattern as well as high sulphur diesel. Which translates to use fuel from a trusted bunk supplying good quality fuel. For a consumer though there seems to be no way to measure the same.

Bhushan

 

Yes Bhushan - a bit sad story though, but wondered with so many cars on roads, why is it that no firm has ever though of manufacturing a guage / handheld equipment for testing fuel quality - I mean to find out the sulphur content in a fixed amount of liquid is not rocket science - just as they have blood sugar testing equipment - I am sure the kit will sell as hot cakes if someone actually manages to make one. Cool Idea - isn't it ))

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