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#11 19-Mar, 2008 10:40 AM
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Posted by Suryanarayan Ganesh
I have to agree with Rajdip that tubeless tyres are really better for city driving and good highway roads - it is not really good for rougher roads.

The main problem with tubeless tyres is they are much less maintainable by our vast network of "tyrewallahs" in case of a puncture or damage - this is the biggest concern when in smaller cities and some roads are rougher.


Hi Ganesh,
I agree with you that local tyrewalas are not equipped or trained enough to deal with tubeless tyres, but then as pointed by Narain pai, it is very easy to repair it your self.  I would recomend this to every one who drives a tubeless tyred vehicle. Even in cities as tyrewalas are the same every where. (http://www.indiacar.com/infobank/tlt_repair.htm)

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#12 21-Mar, 2008 06:11 PM
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Posted by P.Madhusudhan
Why is that tubeless tyres are not popular among indian cars?
BECAUSE THE PRICE IS NOT AFFORDABLE BY THE COMMON PEOPLE ...

AND THE KNOWLEDGE IS NOT TOO SPREAD IN THE MARKET.



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#13 02-Nov, 2008 09:57 PM
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Posted by Pankaj Prasad

Tubeless tyres have lower maintenance than tube tyres, for apparent reasons.  It’s altogether a different issue, though it cannot be discounted, that the required infrastructure is not available in smaller cities, as pointed out by you.  Regardless of that, it’s recommend that we should prefer tubeless tyres to tubed tyres for the following considerations…

Penetrations into the tubeless tyre are sealed off by the rubber itself, resultantly leakage of air does not take place and if it does, it is minimal – greatly reducing the hazards from punctures.

In case of a total loss of air inside the tubeless tyre, it is likely that the bead will collapse inside the rim-well rather than come-off it. It is free from other tube troubles like ballooning, open splice, spurious tubes, pinholes, tube mounting damage etc. The cost of a tube and its maintenance are avoided.

The biggest advantage is, however, the puncture problem that none of us have control over. There have been a number of gruesome high-speed fatalities on the Mumbai-Pune expressway caused by tyre blowouts.  At speeds in excess of 100kmph high temperatures are generated. These high temperatures expand (in some cases this tube is over-inflated too, which only aggravates the situation) the tube and a sudden sharp penetration at high speed causes the tube to burst very easily. The air expelled at high pressure forces its way out of the tyre from around the rim and the tube valve hole. In some cases the pressure exerted by this escaping air is strong enough to rip open the tyre. A burst tyre causes a sudden loss in traction which is sufficient to throw the vehicle off course violently.

The primary advantage of tubeless tyres is on account of its internal construction and materials used. A tubed tyre is vulnerable to friction and heat generated between the tube and the inner surface of the tube which reduces life of the tube. In a tubeless tyre the inner layer of the tyre is the tube itself. This layer is made of a material like halo-butyl/chlorobutyl which is basically resistant to heat and reduces permeation of air. The weight of the tube inside a tyre adds to the unsprung weight affecting handling characteristics and overall performance. The lack of a tube reduces unsprung weight and improves dynamic ability. It also reduces rolling resistance caused by friction between the tyre and tube. The lower rolling resistance, lesser weight and the tubeless tyre's capability to uniformly retain air, improve fuel efficiency (marginally).

Hi,

Can you tell me what is average repair cost for single puncture of tubeless tyre?



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#14 03-Nov, 2008 06:17 AM
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100-150/- including tyre mounting on a machine.


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#15 03-Nov, 2008 01:54 PM
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Posted by Kartik Sharma
to tubeless tyres helps in improving mileage of the car dan da car wid tyres having tubes...


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#16 03-Nov, 2008 02:05 PM
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Marginally - due to lower rolling resistance, lesser weight and the capability to retain air uniformly (discussed before).


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#17 18-Nov, 2008 06:39 PM
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Posted by Himanshu Singh


Hi Ganesh,
I agree with you that local tyrewalas are not equipped or trained enough to deal with tubeless tyres, but then as pointed by Narain pai, it is very easy to repair it your self.  I would recomend this to every one who drives a tubeless tyred vehicle. Even in cities as tyrewalas are the same every where. (http://www.indiacar.com/infobank/tlt_repair.htm)



Is it true that that local tyrewalas are not well equipped to repair puncture in tubeless tyres, Because now a days almost in new cars Tubeless tyres are very common.



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#18 19-Nov, 2008 12:05 AM
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In metros, virtually all tyre-repair shops have equipments for repairing tubeless tyre punctures. Since this repair work is so simple, in most of the cases, it takes less than 5 minutes. There is a problem when you get a cut in the sidewall of the tyre. If the cut is not very broad, patch work helps otherwise the solution is to put tube in the tubeless tyre or change the tyre.

The repair work is no special technology that road-side tyrewallas need to be trained about. If we have the repair kit, we can do that ourselves.



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#19 19-Nov, 2008 10:13 AM
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I agree to the fact that tubeless tyres suit the Indian road conditions more than tube ones. And the reason why I believe tubeless tyres are not famous is just because companies want to cut down the manufacturing cost, which "could" be true upto a certain extent.



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#20 19-Nov, 2008 08:42 PM
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Thanks Pankaj for very detailed explaination. The oint you mentioned regarding bursting of tube tyres is what I feel the greatest advantage of tubeless tyres over tube one.

I would like to add one more advantage is that tubeless tyres works well on concrete roads compare to tube ones due to less heating and burst free. Tube tyres are dangerous at high speed on concrete roads since they heat up due to more friction and also less cushioning compare to Tar roads.



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