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#211 20-Nov, 2009 11:26 PM
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Amit, well said. Liked your way of looking things with an positive attitude. I do agree, that people are just not ready to accept that Fiat can or will do better in future. But it is interesting to see, people who hate or doesn't like Fiat's product take out so much of there time to discuss on it. Tongue out




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#212 20-Nov, 2009 11:28 PM
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Posted by Narendrasingh

OK I am going off, see me here just after one year. Lets see what happens to your puntos and lenias after just one single year. Bye and take care of your cars and dreams.

please follow your own words dude...Wink!



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#213 21-Nov, 2009 02:10 PM
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People dont see how good are fiat engine.  Ask from any owner of Palio that in so many years have they got any engine work done.  You will hear the answer NO.

People here in India are more biased towards one particular product.



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#214 22-Nov, 2009 11:24 AM
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Posted by Dr.Abyshines

Again Pankaj Observation holds true here.LOLz.

Praveen.

First of all the Thread is to Discuss FIAT , & once when its discussed it been labeled people as FIAT MANIAC.. so unable to comment anything furthur here in right spirit. One person keeps bashing & the owners with their rightful expereicne replies to the unrealistic aligations should be read in larger prospective. many might be aggresive in favour of Fiat & many are aggrasive against it in their individual capacity,




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#215 22-Nov, 2009 01:26 PM
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Posted by Steeroid

Yes thats what its supposed to do on paper.  Other engines deliver low-end torque better without all this technology (and unfortunately other perceptible performance parameters too) is what I meant - the term "performance" does not mean just top-speed or acceleration.

I remember one of the mags here did a test drive of the same car sometime back and the verdict was that the car is better than it used to be, but still not better than competition.

If the engines dont deliver a perceptible increase in performance or driveability over other cars, the efficiency part better be really good.  Emissions are part of intangibles that the end customer cannot measure and therefore will not consider as part of his or her buying decision.

Are you telling me that Alfa Romeos lack low-end torque compared to its competitors?

Could you name the magazine and the issue where you read this? I will love to read that mag.




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#216 23-Nov, 2009 10:09 AM
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Posted by Narendrasingh

This shows nothing .. only discussing here .. all discussing here, have Marutis and hyundais and cities etc. at their homes. about 99.99% . Soon it will be 100% as the sale going.

hehehe

I like it when people dont offer opinions and pass judgements :P

Add to the 0.01%... I am buying a Linea this December



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#217 23-Nov, 2009 10:19 PM
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Posted by Rachit Hirani

Are you telling me that Alfa Romeos lack low-end torque compared to its competitors?

Yes I am.  I've owned one (unfortunately) and driven it around whenever it was not in the garage for the 8 months that I owned it.  I can tell you from first hand experience that there are many other cars out there that go about their business much better, thank you very much.




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#218 23-Nov, 2009 10:44 PM
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What happened to the magazine? Or was there ever a magazine apart from the "first hand experience" ?



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#219 23-Nov, 2009 10:50 PM
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If you're implying that the magazine is a piece of fiction, then you're talking from the wrong end and to the wrong person.  I would suggest that you reconsider your words.

The fact that some people are obsessed by a brand does not mean that the rest of the world has to look at things through the same eyes.

Why is it inconceivable that an Alfa Romeo was found lacking in low-end torque?  Should it be best-in-class just because it bears that name? 

NO vehicle is beyond reproach just because of the badge it carries - and this applies to the best of badges, which Alfa Romeo is definitely not abroad.

If this discussion is to be based on such premises, then its pretty pointless to carry on.

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#220 24-Nov, 2009 10:07 AM
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Posted by Steeroid
Yes thats what its supposed to do on paper.  Other engines deliver low-end torque better without all this technology (and unfortunately other perceptible performance parameters too) is what I meant - the term "performance" does not mean just top-speed or acceleration.

I remember one of the mags here did a test drive of the same car sometime back and the verdict was that the car is better than it used to be, but still not better than competition.

If the engines dont deliver a perceptible increase in performance or driveability over other cars, the efficiency part better be really good.  Emissions are part of intangibles that the end customer cannot measure and therefore will not consider as part of his or her buying decision.


First: You said "performance" does not mean just top-speed or acceleration.

Later you add: I remember one of the mags here did a test drive of the same car sometime back and the verdict was that the car is better than it used to be, but still not better than competition.

Followed by:If the engines dont deliver a perceptible increase in performance or driveability over other cars, the efficiency part better be really good.

Could you explain what is performance?

Posted by Steeroid
Being an (unfortunate) ex-Alfa Romeo owner, the local distributor decided to try and compensate for the horrible ownership experience and financial loss that I suffered on the 156 by inviting me to a test drive and preview of the MiTo with the Multiair petrol engine.

Unfortunately, for all that fancy technology it falls short on the performance front when compared to the Peugeots, the Renaults and the Seats.  It has only reinforced my opinion about Alfas - cars that look and sound fast, but dont really move as fast.

Frankly, its just a lot of hot air.


Now you comment: for all that fancy technology it falls short on the performance front (of the Alfa Romeo) when compared to the Peugeots, the Renaults and the Seats.

Posted by Steeroid
Yes I am.  I've owned one (unfortunately) and driven it around whenever it was not in the garage for the 8 months that I owned it.  I can tell you from first hand experience that there are many other cars out there that go about their business much better, thank you very much.


Alright, business in terms of? Sales? Performance? I'm still waiting to know the name and issue of the magazine.

Posted by Steeroid
If you're implying that the magazine is a piece of fiction, then you're talking from the wrong end and to the wrong person.  I would suggest that you reconsider your words.

The fact that some people are obsessed by a brand does not mean that the rest of the world has to look at things through the same eyes.

Why is it inconceivable that an Alfa Romeo was found lacking in low-end torque?  Should it be best-in-class just because it bears that name?

NO vehicle is beyond reproach just because of the badge it carries - and this applies to the best of badges, which Alfa Romeo is definitely not abroad.

If this discussion is to be based on such premises, then its pretty pointless to carry on.


True. I agree to that. Thats the reason why I'm asking for the issue and name of the mag. We want to know the facts which are on paper.

Edit Remark: Post edited to separate quote & reply (some were mixed-up).




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