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#11 04-Oct, 2009 04:05 PM
S Menon
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Posted by Rishil

Thanks Banwari,

Yes, my sole purpose it to enhance the performance of the car.

I am not aware of other options for performance enhancement. I only know about the those additional ECUs which play with sotck ECU signals  and other is Turbo kit. It will be really helpful for me if you can let me know those options for performance enhancement or if you can provide me some link where I can explore those options. Also, how much would it cost if I wish to upgrade the turbo kit in those cars and where can I get this done? I live in Chandigarh.

Thank you.

As greenhorn says - how much do you want and how badly do you want it?

The easiest way to enhance performance on a Common Rail diesel engine is to stick one of those 'Power Box's into it.  The most common one in India is the Pete's Box which is basically a rebranded version of the PSI Motorsports tuning boxes from Europe.

You can also stick in a bigger turbo into your car - PROVIDED you get the right ECU remap for the turbo.  Peter does these too - he can do a bigger turbo and get a suitable remap from Custom Code.  A friend of mine is running a mad Swift with all of these, a Remus exhaust, Cold Air Intake, Bilstein suspension etc and it is the maddest little car I've travelled by in India, putting out an alleged (but not proven on a Dyno) output in the region of 125 bhp.

Its another matter that he now needs a new clutch to handle all that extra power - its a never-ending road.

If you have the budget, the sky is the limit.  If you have a limited budget, you still can do a few things within your budget - the Pete's box costs approx 20-odd thousand and there are other diesel tuning boxes available from Europe.  This alone will get you to a respectable 90+ bhp on the Swift/Indica Vista/Punto.  I would think a few times before plonking a box in a Punto, though - you dont want to fool around with an engine if you're not sure of the spares backup.

Of course you can decide NOT to do all this - just buy yourself one of the last Getz CRDis still available and get blown away by the stock output of your car.  That hatch is EVIL.

Or get an i20 CRDi and start where the Swift would end up after an upgrade - and still be driving a stock car with warranty and all that !

Then of course you start modding the Getz/i20...and look at something like about 150 bhp from THAT engine.

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Last Updated: 04-Oct, 2009 04:13 PM, by Steeroid
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#12 04-Oct, 2009 04:15 PM
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Posted by Rishil

I wanted to enhance the power of the car because I am a little surprised and confused becuse there are 6 cars(in my knowledge) in the market which use the exactly same engine (Swift DDis, Ritz DDis, Vista QuadraJet, Fiat Palio Stile, Fiat Punto, Fiat Linea) but out of these first 4 have exactly same power output, Punto is a hair-width more and Linea has most power.  Among these Swift is the one which moves fastest and has better drive control. I wanted to know what why is that? 

I'll tell you why - the Swift is not Bharat Stage 4 compliant, the others are.  Compliance with the latest emissions norms will obviously mean that your engine has to spew out less of the toxic stuff, which usually means compromising on your performance when other things remain constant.




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#13 04-Oct, 2009 10:54 PM
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Thanks to all.

I was planning for GetZ CRDI and it is available at affordable price but don't know for how long.

I have heard that it's going to be discountinued soon. Hyundai has removed it's technical information from there site, only price information is available. Also, there are some issues with the car, engine is no doubt a monter but chassis of the car is not strong enough to bear the weight of the engine when driven on rough roads. It's headlights are weak and need to upgraded ASAP for proper vision when driving at night.

i20 is also a good car but it is too expensive at this point of time, though the prices has dropped by approx. 30k since it's time of launch (source : Hyundai wb site for i20 1.4 Magna Diesel with ABS). This price is in Chandigarh. Initially it was available for approx 650K and now it is listed as 620K.

Vista Quadra is the one which has all the featues and comforts and no issues of availability, that is yu don't need to wait for long after booking this car. The car is available same day, this is what I was told by a sales rep here in Chandigarh. It is also available at a very competetive price, thus I can think of mods.

It is not like I want it any how (mods for Vista) but my only requirement is that the car should go faster if not too fast. With the weight of 1140 KGs, it is the slowest among all the hatches with 1.3L engine. I was looking for the options if there is any way I can increase it's power to around 100-110 BHP so that I don't feel that car is trying hard to pull but cannot.

I don't want too much of power like 125 BHP or anything like that as Steeroid mentioned about his friend's car.

As of now, I don't have too much idea regarding the price of the mods so I have not decided on the budget yet. I tried searching for the options on Internet but couldn't find the price information for it. Only thing I could find was those deisel performance chips which can be easily connected to the engine and air filters. I think they are affordable.



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#14 05-Oct, 2009 03:01 AM
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I have to mention a few considerations for Vista here

  1. Vista has ploblem whith high speed stabily.
  2. A considerable amount of body roll is prevaling at high speeds.
  3. High speed braking is poor in vista along with absense of ABS and EBD
  4. Tyres need to be upgraded to improve the road grip

So do consider these factors while modifying the car.

Another ecu is race dynamics

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#15 05-Oct, 2009 07:41 AM
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Posted by Rishil

As of now, I don't have too much idea regarding the price of the mods so I have not decided on the budget yet. I tried searching for the options on Internet but couldn't find the price information for it. 

The price of the 'tuning box' is around the 30K mark and for an ECU remap about 50K.

'Performance' air filter will cost 3.5K for a standard replacement and about 10K with the cold air induction kit.



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#16 05-Oct, 2009 09:30 AM
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Posted by Bhardwaj

  1. Vista has ploblem whith high speed stabily.
  2. A considerable amount of body roll is prevaling at high speeds.
  3. High speed braking is poor in vista along with absense of ABS and EBD
  4. Tyres need to be upgraded to improve the road grip

I don't know your source of information but my personal experience says Vista Quadrajet at high speeds is stable like rock. And I am talking about 150kph. It's a bit tall and is a Tata and hence a bit body-roll is obvious. I agree on you on braking terms but then we are again talking high speed and most of the cars in that segment are like Vista. If I am not wrong Vista has Goodyear GT3 (or Apollo Acelere)? Both are decent tyres, not great though.




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#17 05-Oct, 2009 10:15 AM
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Hi

My friend who drives a QJD is not so conifient driving at high speed.I may be wrong though.It is just his experience




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#18 05-Oct, 2009 12:32 PM
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Posted by Banwari Lal Sharma

I don't know your source of information but my personal experience says Vista Quadrajet at high speeds is stable like rock. And I am talking about 150kph. It's a bit tall and is a Tata and hence a bit body-roll is obvious.

I agree.  It is a very competent car - pity about the shared looks with its much-maligned (unfairly, but still!) ancestor.  Thats what has really killed the car - their ad line "Changes everything" is quite spot-on, but they havent changed the looks and that was their biggest blunder.




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#19 06-Oct, 2009 07:22 AM
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..looks and also the name, TATA shot itself in the foor by putting a 'Indica' before the Vista.

Personally they might have called it the 'new beginning' and the car might have found much more acceptance.



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#20 02-Jul, 2011 07:45 AM
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hi ppl ....

i read all the post mention'd...  i have turbo sierra 2001 model, well can i increase the power on my beast , by installing twin turbo or anything like that ... please suggest me.. am tired of looking for it on the web,...

i say in banglore. and let me know how much i would end up spending ...!!!

regards

nash



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